hamass' endgame

[jimboloco]

http://www.thenation.com/bletters/20081201/turse
how we laid to waste the vietnamese

i like afghan wool
just a fool
on the silk road

gotta seperate th rye from th chaff
th pathos of cultural muhajadeen schmujahadeen
like th hezbollah an hamass
end game ethos of perpetual seige
with blue star taxi
now they gonna have
peace in the west bank
more opening,
restoration of palestinian infrastructure
but in gaza hamazz is crass
as flatulent gas

izzie should call in the turkish marines
and th egyptian marines
to land on th coast of gaza
whilst th izraeli an th palestinian armies
scales th walls to th east

but no
they are doing a sherman all out warfare number on them
now going in with the army of david
and so it seems unlimited air power
to uproot hamas
but at some point they will return
to civil stability
and th palestinian army will take over gaza
now they gonna have
peace in the west coast strip
gaza
more opening,
restoration of palestinian infrastructure
an a reconnection with east palestine
power cable
an hispeed rail

[one of those jerks]

It is the white man's burden
He the map maker
He draws lines

Mason and Dixon
fifty four forty or fight
North and South Korea
North Vietnam and South Vietnam
India and Pakistan
Iraq and Kuwait

But undoubtedly his greatest creation
His most brilliant design
Was Palestine and Israel
Now it is the white man's burden
Listening to the Christian Zionist Preacher saying
Israel got a hell of an end game.

He say.
It is da rapture man
Get it on

And the Muslims got their own Apocalyptic vision.

Who knows what anymore
So much blood under the bridge by now
Is anybody right when everybody is wrong?
So many missed opportunities for peace
by both sides.

Wish I was going to live another hundred years
Just to see how it all works out.
Cause there will be peace
Hell look at Western Europe
After a thousand years of slaughtering each other
Now they have the high moral ground



this my nom de guerre for the duration compadre
sincerely
jt.

You can get a better view of the situation from here

IN SOUTHERN ISRAEL
Residents Doubt That Rocket Fire Can Be Stopped

Since the Israeli offensive began nine days ago, the country's leaders have insisted that Israel's largest military operation in Gaza since its troops withdrew in 2005 would not stop until it ended the Hamas rocket fire. But residents of southern Israel have no such expectations. The rockets, they say, will go on despite what Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak described as an "all-out war" on the armed Islamist group that runs Gaza.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

[mtmynd]

Which will come first - Peace or Exhaustion?

[one of those jerks]

I keep hearing the word disproportionate applied to Israel's response to the rocket attacks.

I am trying to think of what a proportionate response would be?

I just can't think this morning.

Peace or Exhaustion?

Or suicide.

Every Israeli soldier takes an oath that Masada will not fall again.

What does that tell us?


So far today despite all the bloodshed and shock and awe thirty rockets have fallen on Israel.

I suppose Israel could take a lesson
from what Rome did to Carthage in the third Punic War.

Carthago delenda est!
Level Gaza and plow it with salt

Why can’t Israel and the Palestinians make peace? There are many complicated reasons, but the facts on the ground point to a simple answer: It’s the settlements, stupid.

[UPDATE, Jan. 5: At the moment, the temptation is to look at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict with a zoom lens that shows the battles in Gaza up-close, in detail. But a zoom lens flattens the picture you see, and entirely leaves out the panoramic view
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms. ... ry_id=4589

<center>The Bloody Holy Land</center>
I think it would be possible to drill for blood in the Holy Land. After all these thousands of years of holy wars enough blood must have seeped through the sand to form a vast underground resevoir.


I listen to the Christian Zionists preachers on TV and it reminds me of that movie Raider's of The Lost Arc. They wants that mighty smitey vengeful Hebrew God on their side.

BTW the Muslims are waiting for Jesus Christ to return too. No kidding it is part of their end times scenario, Jesus Christ will return. I forgot what happens next.

[jimboloco]

prayer in white
may all be right
as we witness th blight
in th light night
an dark days
tex tiles in orbit
over th wailing wall
neath th clouds an haze

[jimboloco]

I am trying to think of what a proportionate response would be?
like th comment about rome and carthage

been followinh the gaza bizz
judih livws about 3 kilometers from the armistice line
google kibbutz nir-oz
southwestern israel
close to egypt too
her kibbutz is surrounded by glorious large fields
their village is total oz, man, a green city of several hundred
and take a road south then west
straight into the armistice line
and gaza
where you will see a patchwork quilt
of humble fields and
humble buildings
of clay brick
and cities of the same drab gray

i offerred a structured way for israel to occupy gaza
without the air war or artillery
to treat gaza as a hostage situuation
and proceed into the areas where ther missiles are with
tentative yet insistant force
and to enhance that with humanitarian aid to "liberated" areas
hamas free
an was called a whack
by th satyagraha dude
radioactivity wmnf 01/08/2009

oy vey
i'm on my way
see ya at th wailing wall

[one of those jerks]

I don't know how much of this j is reading. I don't want to talk about war with her. The French got their Marianne, we got judih. She is the face of Israel for me. I want to write what ever uplifts her and sustains her. I want to digress with her about anything but the war.

Judih lives in the holy land, but even so a government is a government is a government. Not sure any government is holy. Not even the Vatican.


I want to write about my heritage
But I know less about Judaism that your average goy


(bad joke I know Jim, sorry. My father a stone cold atheistic Jew but he always called himself a jew, he spared me a religious education. That might have been the kindest thing he ever did. I had a lot of autonomy as a kid unlike your childhood if I remember correctly.)


That god of my mothers before me is a mighty smitey god. Took me years to make peace with her god.

So you know everybody got a hell of an end game. But it takes a good opening. I am praying for an opening, trying to make myself a locus of peace

****************************


Yes Israel is on a roll
the past sixty years.
but if anyone knows anything about defeat it should be the Jews.

“The Palestinians must be made to understand in the deepest recesses of their consciousness that they are a defeated people.”
Moshe Yaalon, Israeli Defense Forces chief of staff, in 2002

What is Iran's endgame in this. The pundits all seems to agree that the orders come from Tehran to the Hamas leadership safely ensconced in Syria.

***************************
I am wondering about

the unborn being blessed.

The tagline is from the Apocalypse of Baruch. I think it is one of those Apocryphal books.


Sounds Buddha-istic to me.

the guy who wrote that was pretty out of it



The temple in Jerusalem is destroyed and his people are being carried off into captivity. The Jews were a defeated people.

[jimboloco]

made another post to judih's
man i am beat

my slacker stepson works as a sextant at
congregation shalom in milwaukee
marc cohen saved his life
amen

i got some christmas bud
one half smoked
waiting for me and tai chi

it's ok
i am caught inbetween as well
the agony without the extacy

i can forgive the radio man
let it begin with me

israel has got to live, man
ain't no other way

[mtmynd]

<center>confusion is a cast that prevents mobility</center>
the middle east is a confluence of confusions liberally mixed with chaos. a playground of beliefs suspending the reality of life to make room for disagreements followed by violence which keeps truth masked in veils of explosive behavior. the only holiness of the land are the holes of bullets and rockets piercing the otherside in retaliation for existence. the world looks on, horrified as the destruction and killing continues in a war of survival at it's most primitive in both political and human terms, each side hearing the voice of the one god that brought them both together... a most mysterious god, indeed, and one that obviously has a macabre sense of humor.

[one of those jerks]

Ten four jim, got to be
Sometimes I wish God would let us be.

Lord, if you won't take care of us
Won't you please please let us be?"
God's Song R.N.

*********



I have thought about God's sense of humor too Cecil.

They say he sits in heaven and laughs

at those who mock him.

"God Is Not Mocked Except By Believers." -Anne Sexton

The world is much too strange for me.

I give up on understanding.

I wish I could hear the music.

God's Song lyrics by Randy Newman

Cain slew Abel Seth knew not why
For if the children of Israel were to multiply
Why must any of the children die?
So he asked the Lord
And the Lord said:

"Man means nothing he means less to me
than the lowiliest cactus flower
or the humblest yucca tree
he chases round this desert
cause he thinks that's where i'll be
that's why i love mankind

I recoil in horror from the foulness of thee
from the squalor and the filth and the misery
How we laugh up here in heaven at the prayers you offer me
That's why i love mankind"

The Christians and the Jews were having a jamboree
The Buddhists and the Hindus joined on satellite TV
They picked their four greatest priests
And they began to speak
They said "Lord the plague is on the world
Lord no man is free
The temples that we built to you
Have tumbled into the sea
Lord, if you won't take care of us
Won't you please please let us be?"

And the Lord said
And the Lord said

"I burn down your cities--how blind you must be
I take from you your children and you say how blessed are we
You must all be crazy to put your faith in me
That's why i love mankind
You really need me
That's why i love mankind"

[mtmynd]

we made god(s) to put the blame of our stupidity on. a really dumb thing to do. but it's better than taking the blame ourselves, i reckon. that's askin' too much of our own self.

[one of those jerks]

yes god died for our sins

[mtmynd]

god hibernates... for a looong while, waiting for the spring of acceptance.

[one of those jerks]

Yes Tezcatlipoca had a nice nap and now he is raring to go.

It is only a matter of time and human sacrifice.

[jimboloco]

yes an why did God let the radio leftie call me a "wack" when i suggested an alternative to all-out war or satyagraha, that israel could occupy the unguarded areas of Gaza and establish "hamas free zones" with medical and nutritional aide. Guess cause Gad loved whackos too. the only other option I can come up with is tit for tat, which is not what jesus preached. an israeli airstrike for every hamas missile. no more, no less.

the israelis can stop trying to live normal lives. they can wear body armor and have their helmets handy and dig some stronger and more plentiful bunkers. when a hamas rocket is launched, israeli radar and sattellite cameras pick it up. The israels get about 15 seconds warning. Israel can send an airstrike back to the point of origen of the hamass missile. tit for tat.

now israel can fly over the intended strike zone and drop leaflets warning an airstrike will happen within, say, two hours. They can also inform Hamass central of the exact coordinates of intended airstrike. Hamass central can be intouch with the relief agencies. If there is a doubt about civilian occupation, as in a school or mosque, the relief agency can communicate this and a further delay in the retaliatory air strike can occur. However if a second missile comes out of same location, the 2 hour window holds with an airstrike to follow. hamas has no anti-air capability, no antiaircraft guns or heat seeking missiles. just their qassams. so then the israeli's can endure the ongoing qassams knowing that the gaza people are getting exactly back what they send out. plus gaza will still be in lock down mode. is this a whack job idea?
satyagraha, no attacks on gaza no matter what hamas does.

then what?

i believe in israel's war, fuck it.