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by Yejun
September 15th, 2009, 4:51 pm
Forum: Workshop & Prompts
Topic: English Meter 2: the Iamb
Replies: 11
Views: 3710

Two points can be derived from Van Dyke's poem: 1. Certain changes in the metrical pattern do not disrupt the rhythm of the poem overall. 2. The goal of an interesting poem is not to approximate the metrical pattern as closely as possible. But it doesn't follow that one need give up on meter altoget...
by Yejun
September 12th, 2009, 8:26 pm
Forum: Workshop & Prompts
Topic: English Meter 2: the Iamb
Replies: 11
Views: 3710

1. I know that Europe's wonderful, yet something seems to lack: u-S, u-S, u-S, u-S, u-S, u-S, u-S 2. The Past is too much with her, and the people looking back. u-S, u-S, u-S, u-S, u-S, u-S, u-S 3. But the glory of the Present is to make the Future free-- u-u-S , u-S, u-S,u-S, u-S, u-S, u-S, 4. We ...
by Yejun
September 11th, 2009, 5:22 pm
Forum: Workshop & Prompts
Topic: English Meter 2: the Iamb
Replies: 11
Views: 3710

English Meter 2: the Iamb

This is my second thread on English prosody. The first one is here . I don't want any of these threads to be too long as my hope is that many people will find this stuff as interesting as I do. If all of this is new to you, please feel free to ask questions. If you already know this stuff, please fe...
by Yejun
August 20th, 2009, 6:46 pm
Forum: Workshop & Prompts
Topic: English: Stress, Syllables, Meter
Replies: 13
Views: 3678

Performance? What seems to be uncontroversial is this spectrum: speech run---------------------------------------------metrical automaton To put it another way, you have two extremes. On the one hand, you have "Ah, just read the damn thing" and on the other you have, "make sure that everybody can he...
by Yejun
August 20th, 2009, 6:44 pm
Forum: Workshop & Prompts
Topic: English: Stress, Syllables, Meter
Replies: 13
Views: 3678

In 1947, W. H. Auden said: It's amazing how little students know about prosody. When you teach a college class, you find they read [verse] either as straight prose, or as deadly monotonous beat as in Gorboduc. --quoted in Timothy Steele's All the Fun's in How you Say a Thing, p. 151 While Gorboduc w...
by Yejun
August 20th, 2009, 6:41 pm
Forum: Literature & Film
Topic: Sounds from the past: Whitman and Tennyson
Replies: 0
Views: 571

Sounds from the past: Whitman and Tennyson

Tennyson

Walt_Whitman

Apparently, these are wax recordings of Whitman and Tennyson.

Compare them with this:


[Ezra_Pound

Honestly, I don't know what to make of this. Is it a joke? Is that really what he meant by musical phrase?

Whitman and Tennyson sound more modern than he does. :D
by Yejun
August 17th, 2009, 7:25 pm
Forum: Workshop & Prompts
Topic: English: Stress, Syllables, Meter
Replies: 13
Views: 3678

Thanks. It's not just time though, it's also absent-mindedness. I'm posting this thread here and on Perdida's site concurrently and just forgot to add the next post here. Thanks for the wake-up call. :oops: When you teach English, one of the basic techniques is called a repetition drill. This is a s...
by Yejun
August 13th, 2009, 7:21 pm
Forum: Workshop & Prompts
Topic: English: Stress, Syllables, Meter
Replies: 13
Views: 3678

This is the first of two wrap up posts. When you teach English, one of the basic techniques is called a repetition drill. This is a standard technique and one that post people intuitively seem to see as what teaching English is about. There are two problems with this idea. One, if you try to break u...
by Yejun
August 13th, 2009, 7:18 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Jury duty???!
Replies: 5
Views: 627

You hang out at City Hall, drink coffee, eat doughnuts, and wait to be called. You get on a couple of juries and are then kicked off for some reason or another. You're supposed to get some token money for the thing but it's so small that you can't remember actually getting the money and don't really...
by Yejun
August 11th, 2009, 5:32 pm
Forum: Workshop & Prompts
Topic: English: Stress, Syllables, Meter
Replies: 13
Views: 3678

At another site (Perdida's), it was pointed out that my description makes the stressed/unstressed relationship sound too variable. It's an important clarification. I do not mean arbitrary or random. Yet, my focus here is not to constrict writers of formal verse, it is to show that meter is both a fl...
by Yejun
August 7th, 2009, 9:09 pm
Forum: Music, Spoken Word & Video
Topic: Hypernova
Replies: 1
Views: 570

Hypernova

http://www.hypernovamusic.com/

Check out Fairy Tales. Good, straightforward Indie rock from Iran.
by Yejun
August 7th, 2009, 9:08 pm
Forum: Music, Spoken Word & Video
Topic: Exene's poetry..
Replies: 3
Views: 1241

X

One of the top five greatest bands of all time.

Saw Exene read at UCLA many years ago.
by Yejun
July 30th, 2009, 11:06 pm
Forum: Workshop & Prompts
Topic: English: Stress, Syllables, Meter
Replies: 13
Views: 3678

Yes, they are important. So far this explanation is building up to a discussion of accentual-syllabic (stress-syllable) meter. The count of the syllables allows for the creation of and/or demotion of stressed syllables. If you only count accents, you can't do that. You have no counterweight and ther...
by Yejun
July 25th, 2009, 6:54 pm
Forum: Workshop & Prompts
Topic: English: Stress, Syllables, Meter
Replies: 13
Views: 3678

Thanks, Doreen. Uh, I'll do it. Just so long as you know that I can't really do more than what I'm doing now. Time goes faster as you get older. :shock: ------------------------------------------ The following example comes from Derek Attridge's POETIC RHYTHM: Anyway, stressed versus unstressed syll...
by Yejun
July 24th, 2009, 9:31 pm
Forum: Workshop & Prompts
Topic: English: Stress, Syllables, Meter
Replies: 13
Views: 3678

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. There are three types of stress: semantic stress: this one's easy. Any two syllable or more word has an accent on one of the syllables. If the word has more than two syllables it has a primary and secondary stress (generally, both are considered a stress in poetry...

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