La poligamia detrás de los disturbios en Francia
http://www.lacapital.com.ar/2005/11/17/ ... 6826.shtml
Para políticos conservadores puede haber sido uno de los factores que precipitaron la explosión de violencia juvenil
París. - Con la prolongación del estado de emergencia en Francia, la poligamia entre los inmigrantes y la política liberal de inmigración centraron ayer el debate en torno a los disturbios juveniles. Bernard Accoyer, líder de la Unión por una Mayoría Popular (UMP) en la Cámara baja del Parlamento, dijo a una radio francesa que los niños de grandes familias polígamas tenían problemas de integración en la sociedad.
El periódico The Financial Times citó al ministro de Trabajo, Gerard Larcher, quien dijo que las grandes familias polígamas llevaban a veces a un comportamiento antisocial por parte de los jóvenes que carecían de una figura paterna y hacían que los empleadores fueran reacios a contratarlos.
Los disturbios surgieron el 27 de octubre tras la muerte accidental de dos jóvenes que aparentemente huían de la policía, pero se transformaron en una protesta mayor, principalmente de africanos, pero también blancos, que sufren racismo, desempleo y exclusión de la sociedad francesa. "Claramente hay un problema con la integración de los inmigrantes, y lo que es más importante, de sus hijos", dijo Accoyer. "Para que podamos integrarlos, no pueden superar nuestra capacidad de integración. Ese es el tema. Es como la poligamia. Es ciertamente una de las causas de los disturbios, aunque no el único", añadió.
Accoyer dijo que la poligamia llevaba a una "incapacidad para proporcionar la educación que se necesita en una sociedad organizada y normativa como Europa y fundamentalmente Francia". No fue posible contactar a ningún líder de la comunidad musulmana para que comentara las declaraciones de los políticos.
Entretanto, entre la población aumenta la aprobación del ministro del Interior, Nicolás Sarkozy, en el que se centra el odio de los jóvenes inmigrantes, después de que éste calificara a los vándalos de "escoria". Sarkozy anunció el martes que habían comenzado las diez primeras vistas para la deportación de inmigrantes condenados por su participación en la revuelta.
En una encuesta, siete de cada diez franceses aprueban el duro proceder del ministro del Interior contra los violentos y el 63%, la expulsión de extranjeros. Dos tercios de los encuestados creen que Sarkozy será capaz de solucionar la crisis a largo plazo.
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imaginación al poder:Polygamy behind riots in France
- abcrystcats
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I can't read Spanish.
Excuse me, but I have probably misinterpreted everything completely.
Polygamy is a good fucking way to make relationships between people work WELL in this economically messed up world. It needs more than TWO people earning money to do this well.
Just my opinion.
Polygamy good. Monogamy bad. In the capitalist system, as it presents itself. And hell, I LOVE capitalism. I love it.
Excuse me, but I have probably misinterpreted everything completely.
Polygamy is a good fucking way to make relationships between people work WELL in this economically messed up world. It needs more than TWO people earning money to do this well.
Just my opinion.
Polygamy good. Monogamy bad. In the capitalist system, as it presents itself. And hell, I LOVE capitalism. I love it.
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Querida Arcadia:
I can read Spanish, but I'm a bit rusty.
Fortunately, educated Spanish writing and speech contains a lot of cognates!
I heard one of Chirac's ministers at length on the radio (NPR) yesterday.
He espouses the same line one sees ( described as the "conservadores" line) in this article:
"These people" ( he calls them "Black Africans") "can't assimilate" and "won't assimilate" because their social behavior is "not French", he said.
Well, we went through that same thing ( struggles over the "assimilation" of immigrants) here in the US. In California, ballot initiatives strove to permit "English only" in our society. But such laws were overcome or ignored. Now many public signs in Southern California are printed in both English and Spanish.
But France doesn't welcome immigrants, and is having an abrasive time with them right now.
California, too, continues with its abuses and its problems.
The US has its racism and its bigotry, but the French minister I heard is pretty closed to new ideas and new people.
" . . . fundamentalmente Francia . . ." and "normativa" are key words here .
One's version of "assimilation" sometimes excludes tolerance.
The French are having a rough time of it right now, and there is no easy solution, either for the French, or for "los immigrantes."
Thanks for the articulo--
--Z
I can read Spanish, but I'm a bit rusty.
Fortunately, educated Spanish writing and speech contains a lot of cognates!
I heard one of Chirac's ministers at length on the radio (NPR) yesterday.
He espouses the same line one sees ( described as the "conservadores" line) in this article:
"These people" ( he calls them "Black Africans") "can't assimilate" and "won't assimilate" because their social behavior is "not French", he said.
Well, we went through that same thing ( struggles over the "assimilation" of immigrants) here in the US. In California, ballot initiatives strove to permit "English only" in our society. But such laws were overcome or ignored. Now many public signs in Southern California are printed in both English and Spanish.
But France doesn't welcome immigrants, and is having an abrasive time with them right now.
California, too, continues with its abuses and its problems.
The US has its racism and its bigotry, but the French minister I heard is pretty closed to new ideas and new people.
" . . . fundamentalmente Francia . . ." and "normativa" are key words here .
One's version of "assimilation" sometimes excludes tolerance.
The French are having a rough time of it right now, and there is no easy solution, either for the French, or for "los immigrantes."
Thanks for the articulo--
--Z
aby: you love capitalism, that´s OK!. I don´t know what I love yet...
zlatko: I´ll try that my posts look more californian (a mean, for the english-spanish version) since this is an english language site. It sounds democratic. But I didn´t automatize the way to do fast translations at the moment... so sometimes I prefer to post directly in spanish rather than not to post at all. I´m a ciberusty.
About the article: the title seems more a joke than a sociologic analysis.
zlatko: I´ll try that my posts look more californian (a mean, for the english-spanish version) since this is an english language site. It sounds democratic. But I didn´t automatize the way to do fast translations at the moment... so sometimes I prefer to post directly in spanish rather than not to post at all. I´m a ciberusty.
About the article: the title seems more a joke than a sociologic analysis.
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