Congratulations mister pvvesident

[mudshark]

No, you' re on to something, mnaz. better
stay down...

[Barry]

Reading the text of the speech...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD9CGFID00
...I got the feeling Obama visits studioeight.tv, and had read through some of the threads going on here in the last week or so, particularly from these two quotes...

To say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism — it is a recognition of history,

we must direct our effort to the task that President Kennedy called for long ago. "Let us focus," he said, "on a more practical, more attainable peace, based not on a sudden revolution in human nature but on a gradual evolution in human institutions."

Seriously, it's like he was here and read the "There's your change" and "Escalation of the war in Afghanistan" threads, and the one about human evolution. Or maybe we're all just psychic or something.

Anyway, I love the speech, I love the man, I stand by him and uphold all he hopes for, not just for America, but for the world.

Peace,
Barry

[still.trucking]

mudshark wrote:

No, you' re on to something, mnaz. better
stay down...Smile

I agree. But I think our congress in bought and sold. I don't know what Obama can do about that.


btw
arcadia and I were having a discussion about "sane countries"
I mentioned yours as an example of a sane country. She was skeptical if any country is sane.

we'll still keep our eye on the prize
how the tunes coming?
sure would like to hear something
ty

[Doreen Peri]

how the tunes coming?
sure would like to hear something
ty

Me too! I've been totally remiss about the Radio8 show... I haven't created one in 4 months. sighh... been too busy... I need help! (and that's probably also an assessment from my therapist who I have yet to hire! haha)

I love your music!! love love love! yes!

........

As for President Obama being the recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize ... and his speech today... I only heard parts of the speech so far.... but the escalation of the war in Afghanistan makes me cringe.

How is that promoting peace?

That said, I love him like I've loved no other President in my lifetime. BUT I'm becoming increasingly disillusioned.

And yeah, as Barry said, it's as if he were here reading what was posted during the past couple of weeks.

[mudshark]

"btw
arcadia and I were having a discussion about "sane countries"
I mentioned yours as an example of a sane country. She was skeptical if any country is sane."

sane is a word that don't come to mind, but i suppose we don't have anything to mown about when it comes to economical challenges. free healthcare for everyone, a restrictive alkohol politic, unemployment rate at 3%, interset stabilised at 2%, and about 20 killings a year.
suicide is hitting the roof though. and the winter activities has gone from iceskating and skiing to playstation and dart. snow is gone, and the sky is as grey as the eyes of a pedestrian.
we wait for summer. happy to be mentioned on telly.

[Arcadia]

barry: gracias for the link to the written version of Obama´s speech. I read it yesterday: I feel it too much well intentionated and at the same time terribly simplistic and onesided. Maybe it´s because he´s part of the militar USA machine and a pragmatic man and I´m a teacher in a polar judge-da-mental day, who knows! And yeah!, maybe we are all a bit psíquicos in our collective free time!

mudshark: dont´t worry, be happy!

[Barry]

I didn't find the speech to be "too much well intentionated and at the same time terribly simplistic and onesided" myself. I found it to be very balanced and measured, forthright and informative, even though it's possible there are some facts illustrated in the speech the wider world beyond America might wish to ignore. But that's just my own opinion.

I'm curious, though, Arcadia, what parts you found to be too well intentioned and what parts you found to be terribly simplistic and onesided. Could you cut and paste any particular lines or passages? It would help in understanding what you're getting at.

Peace,
Barry

[Arcadia]

good morning! it´s a mostly cloudy but beautiful day here!

barry: even though it's possible there are some facts illustrated in the speech the wider world beyond America might wish to ignore.... mmm... I didn´t understand at all what you are saying here, I´ll work on a translation!

not enough time right now for cutting and pasting and detailed fundamentation though I´ll try to satisfy your curiosity from memory and when I have time do what you invited to do, I´ll do it!.

some points that impressed me:

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[Arcadia]

- "I see the world as it is" (commentary: are you sure?, so do you believe in supreme objectivity?). He could answer to that: hey, my country is my responsability -first, of course!- and I see it that way: they are in DANGER!. Also the rest on the world that is not involved with evil. And with this war I can help them to be free and secure at last... well, at last-at last maybe not... but who knows! And maybe then, the evil ones can change their mind, be also free and thanks some day US for that.

-"Evil exists" (commentary: yeah?, where exactly?, is not a little abstract?, or a are you talking about evil ones and good ones? are you inviting the rest of the world to infere that from your speech or do you think that you have been already enough literal? you sounded like a misterious Chavez with that jaja!-ahem.... sorry!-). He could answer: "I´m talking seriously now. Al & the taliban, lady!. Where? somewhere in the Kashmir right now and/or somewhere else in the world -not in my focus to talk about it right now, I´m sure you understand well...-"

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Yes evil exists in the world but not in the USA, we are the good guys backing every murderous fascist dictator in central america and south america we can find.

The world is not ignoring that.

[Arcadia]

- "Some will kill, some will die" (Commentary: oh... it´s really obvious, you know? did you tell that because you are really sad? or...?). Well, that´s the part in Obama´s speech when he could not say anything more, neither I...

- "the USA has a sixty year´s story helping the world in their path to freedom" -more or less- (Commentary: did you live in a bubble, really? what about Vietnam? what about the CIA and latin america golpes de estado during the seventies? what about seeing in each person or movement in the world against the imperialist interests of your country "the evil ones" for decades and acting military -or not- in consonancia with that? what about Honduras and the bases in Colombia? what about the bloqueo to Cuba? how can you be so naive? I don´t think you are brainless so do I have to join Fidel and think you are a sort of cynic? ). And he could answer: "I´m a good man, don´t you see?. We always have been a good country and we have a mission in the world. The world not always had put enough effort to understand us, it´s true, but you´ll understand us some day. We are working on consensus. Give us time!"

[still.trucking]

Mingo Wrote:

Bingo, V. Glad I'm not the only one having that backwards seeming notion. I say that without rancor and I wish him well but he is just a man after all and subject to the same things that bedevil all men everywhere.

I wish him well too, he is just a man and the government of the United States is just a government. Better than some worse than others. I wish us well too.

By definition, a government has no conscience. Sometimes it has a policy, but nothing more.
Albert Camus

[Arcadia]

sure!. And I´m not in a judge-da-mental day, just playing with puppets! gracias for reading!

[stilltrucking]

And ten four on the puppets.
me too

[Barry]

I guess it must be the language barrier, but I'm not really getting much from the comentary following the brief quotes you provide. Too bad, as I'd really like to understand what exactly it is you're trying to say. Oh well.

And oh, yeah, what the president actually said in his speech was "I face the world as it is..." not "I see the world as it is." Kind of makes a big difference as to how you open your commentary, don't you think?

How's that puppet thing working out for you?

Peace,
Barry