Holy Crap, (Hunter Thompson)

Post by **Lightning Rod** » February 21st, 2005, 1:19 pm

this is a fucking beautiful tribute, lescaret

Post by **stilltrucking** » February 21st, 2005, 1:30 pm

Post by **Doreen Peri** » February 21st, 2005, 1:31 pm

Bravo for Hunter, I say.

When someone decides to kill themself and follows through with it, then who are the rest of us to question the decision?

Sorry, Les.... I adamently disagree.

A person's life is not theirs to take.

If a person is a hermit and knows no-one, has no family, no friends, nobody but themselves, and is in so much mental pain that they don't feel they can carry on, well, maybe I *might* reconsider my position, but even then, I doubt it.

The only time I think a person should have a right to put an end to their own life is if he or she is terminally ill and in dire physical pain or being kept alive by machines. If there is zero quality of life and no way to effect any quality of life, I may argue for the sanity of euthanasia.

Other than that, a person's life is *not* only their own. It belongs to everyone whose lives they touch.

To applaud someone for suicide makes absolutely no sense to me. Each person has family and friends and *somebody* needs to clean up afterward and suffer the mourning.

Suicide is probably the most selfish act there is.

Post by **Lightning Rod** » February 21st, 2005, 1:38 pm

here we disagree, doreen

Suicide is the ultimate statement of Body Sovereignty

Our bodies are ours to use to our benefit or to dispose of.

After I have committed graceful suicide

I want you to put my body on a Viking boat

and set it on fire and push it out to sea.

After that, don't think about me.

Post by **stilltrucking** » February 21st, 2005, 1:44 pm

A person's life is not theirs to take.

That is true up to a point.

John Kennedy Toole

As much as I love him as a writer his suicide was tragic, nothing to talk about there, I am thinking of Spalding Gray, his family seemed to understand it.

I wasn't crazy about saying bravo, lescaret must be very young but

this part I do applaud

No time to cry in our cocktails. Heft the glass, pick up the pen, go to the typewriter, the keyboard, grab the paint brush, the saxophone, the camera, take a deep breath and charge the goddamn world, confront it, record it, relay it, transform it. That's our task in the aftermath.

Post by **stilltrucking** » February 21st, 2005, 1:49 pm

After I have committed graceful suicide

I want you to put my body on a Viking boat

and set it on fire and push it out to sea.

After that, don't think about me.

beutiful image.

I would have to put myself on that boat, Joshua Slocom when he was very old, he sailed out of Boston Harbor a hundred years ago. this was after he sailed around the world alone, a Sail on captain sail on.

I think suicide can be wrong, I think suicide can be right and Camus got it right

graceful suicide, I could see myself commmiting tidy suicide.

Post by **Doreen Peri** » February 21st, 2005, 1:52 pm

LR - If you commit suicide, I'll kill you.

Seriously, though, if you even have a thought of the possibility, please leave me now. I don't want to see it and I don't want to hear about it later. If you love someone, you don't subject them to such a selfish act.

It has nothing to do with Body Soveriegnty.

Your life is not yours to do away with. Your life belongs to everyone who you touch.

Promoting suicide is not a good idea. When a person takes such drastic measures, they are not well. They are mentally ill. Sane people realize that if they do away with themselves, it would effect everyone around them.

There is absolutely no excuse for such an act. If a person is in that much mental pain, there are medications and there is counseling and many other avenues they could take to alleviate the pain without selfishly taking their own lives, thereby hurting everyone around them.

I have known people who have committed suicide and I've seen how it effects the family and friends. Some family members may *never* get over it and will spend the rest of their lives suffering because of a loved one's act of selfishness.

I never read Hunter Thompson. I'm totally unfamiliar with his work. Yet this morning's news threw me off kilter. Not only are his family and friends suffering because of it, but this writer apparently has many fans who will be effected by this.

What message does man's act send to a distraught adolescent who loves his work? That it's OK to do away with yourself because you are experiencing pain or what?

I feel sorry for his family and friends.

And to those today who may be contemplating such an act, please STOP! Your life is NOT yours to take. Get some help. It's out there.

Post by **stilltrucking** » February 21st, 2005, 2:01 pm

And to those today who may be contemplating such an act, please STOP! Your life is NOT yours to take. Get some help. It's out there.

somebody something is going to take my life sooner or later, I am at an age where my final expenses are an issue. I am not promoting suicide for anyone. Judih said it is better for a man and women to see infinity together. I can only see to the event horizon, no idea what is over that hill, but I know that this is Zion and I am no hurry to move on to the next station, but it is a good time for me to take a hard look at what is on the end of my fork.

I still have a lot of work to do, everytime I hear another sunrise is a precious gift to me.
_____________________

Post by **Lightning Rod** » February 21st, 2005, 2:05 pm

doreen--

We watched the tribute to the first five years of Saturday Night Live last night.

I'm tempted to say, "Jane, you stupid bitch."

You mistake my sentiments if you think that I advocate suicide. I think it is often times a permanent solution to a temporary problem. But some problems are not temporary.

If I get Oldtimers Disease, please take me out in the back yard and shoot me. (I would do it for myself if I could remember where I put the gun.)

If I am terminal and incontinent and you are having to clean up my shit, I want to cancel my subscription, help me find a vein.

Pain is not fun. I prefer oblivion.

The question of suicide is political and cultural. In some places it is honored.

I'll go to my death thinking that my body is mine to do with what I will.

Post by **judih** » February 21st, 2005, 2:12 pm

for discussion purposes,

G and i have talked about it from his point of view.
Since one of the first things he said to me when we met was:
"Don't get used to me. I'm gonna die when i'm 32" (he was 28 at the time), death has always played a very active and real role in our relationship.

i wouldn't be a bit surprised if death is one of the factors in our never getting married (well, maybe not, but still...why marry if death is hovering at every turn).

From the beginning, it's been clearly stated that if he gets to the vegetable state, he wants a nice dose of morphine or opium, plain and simple, nearby.

Then the body is to be hanged in various locations - depending on current events, but the body is to be hanged in public view until fully rotted.

It's quite clear.

As for me, i've always announced that i plan to live to at least 150, and by then, i'll think about dying.

judih

Post by **stilltrucking** » February 21st, 2005, 2:14 pm

a hundred and fifty and still beautiful.

me too me too

where i come from,
a woman and a man
make infinity better

Post by **Doreen Peri** » February 21st, 2005, 2:18 pm

I don't believe Hunter Thompson had any permenant problems that could not be resolved. He wasn't terminally ill. He wasn't suffering from an illness which was causing him pain which could not be dealt with. Surely, he was suffering mentally and this was the impetus to this act. But still, it is no excuse. There are remedies available for such pain.

LR - If you want to call me a bitch, please do it privately, not on a public bulletin board.

lescaret applauded HST's act and to me, that's a promotion of suicide. The applause says it's OK. And suicide is NOT ok.

To refer to Body Soveriegnty and to say you have the right to do whatever you want with your body, even suicide, if you'd like, sounds like a promotion of the act to me. It says it's OK. And it is NOT ok. The act of suicide is selfish.

If I am terminal and incontinent and you are having to clean up my shit, I want to cancel my subscription, help me find a vein.

I stated in a previous post that I would argue for euthanasia being a sane solution in certain circumstances. This, I agree with. Unfortunately, many terminally ill patients suffer much too long because such a decision is subjective and is also illegal.

The question of suicide is political and cultural. In some places it is honored.

Is that so? Really? Where is a place where suicide is honored? Name one.

Post by **Lightning Rod** » February 21st, 2005, 2:27 pm

name one

ok, Japan

(and you don't know what problems that HST was facing)

Post by **stilltrucking** » February 21st, 2005, 2:29 pm

Is that so? Really? Where is a place where suicide is honored? Name one.

well there is Japan,

all this talk, take the best and leave the rest

No time to cry in our cocktails. Heft the glass, pick up the pen, go to the typewriter, the keyboard, grab the paint brush, the saxophone, the camera, take a deep breath and charge the goddamn world, confront it, record it, relay it, transform it. That's our task in the aftermath.

what ever else he wrote that is what I am going to take away from lescaret's post, the bombast i am going to leave behind.

I want to go on an upstroke like Nelson rockefeller with his secretary, get a free ride down, man That has to be a shock, I bet she ain't been right since that happened, probably crying her heart out on some tropical island with her settlement.

Post by **Doreen Peri** » February 21st, 2005, 2:39 pm

LR- Really? Japan? How so? How is suicide honored there? Tell me.

Still - As for the balance of lescaret's post, I wasn't addressing that. I was only addressing the applause.

It's always good to take whatever good you can take from whatever is out there. Good thinking!

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