About the Litkicks Book Action Poetry

[perezoso]

It's rather amusing that you let a raving, dimwitted psychotic like "Scootertrash" (the name really identifies this person as a worthless scumbag) write whatever he wants, permit him to make obscene insults, death threats, etc., demean a authentic writer such as Hester--and ST was known for regularly insulting numerous writers far more intelligent and talented than himself on old Litkicks-- , and then attempt to chastize me for responding to his insults. WHy not a warning or comment to this Scooter creature ? I really don't care, but I think the fact that you let this creep on your site says a lot about you. Don't worry, I have had about enough: this is lit kicks again, but with some pictures and mp3s, courtesy of Scootski, your favorite psychopathic transient. The real writers and artists around here know what a foul cretin this ST bum is.

See ya.

[Doreen Peri]

perezoso-

Death threats? Where?

You're kidding! I never saw anything like that!

Yesterday, if you remember correctly.... maybe you didn't read my post... but yesterday, I made a comment on here to Scoot and hester and everybody else, asking everybody to quit insulting each other and "be nice."

I'm trying to just BE here on this board. Not to be some authoritarian figure. I hate authoritarian figures. I don't want to be one. Please don't make me out to be one.

As a participant on this board, I'm expressing my opinions. I like it when people treat each other in a kind, civil way.

Obscene insults? Where?

I never saw anything like that.

I hate to see anyone in my life insulting other people. That includes EVERYBODY! Bar none.

That's just me.

I don't want to live a life with insults in it. I hate insults.

I wasn't "chastizing" you. I was telling you my opinion of name-calling. I don't like it.

I enjoy your participation here and I enjoy Scoot's participation here but I don't enjoy it when either one of you call each other or other people names.

I wish it would stop.

[perezoso]

It's cool. No biggies. Thanks for the compliments, and it's a nice site, I just can't post alongside here with this Scootertrash person. Merry X-mass to you and L-rot.

[abcrystcats]

brooklyn -- have you noticed something strange? You are allowed to post to this website, but for some reason Doreen has been asked not to post to yours. What's wrong with this picture?

In her defense, I do not think she intended for this dispute to become public. The original poster of the details was L-Rod, who no doubt was responding justifiably after he saw Doreen crying.

I have no idea what happened between you. I know Doreen because we email back and forth frequently, and it is not in her nature to deliberately annoy or offend anyone. You, on the contrary, have hurt her deeply. This makes me very angry. I cannot understand why you would continue to stubbornly exclude her from your website. I will not consider posting there unless she and L-Rod are permitted back. There may be others who feel the same, I do not know.

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I may have forgotten what I paid for the book, it was a long time ago. The frisbee came with it, in any case, and perhaps I accidentally added shipping charges in my mind. Sorry, I did not intentionally intend to exagerrate.

I think both Scooter and Perez are out of hand. Read Scooter's comments again. This IS getting out of control, and I don't know why every darn time we talk about Litkicks it ends up being a shoot-out at the OK Corral. How important IS it? I mean, really, this is a website here, not the end of the world. Most of us don't visit it anymore, anyways, so why the venom? Scooter, I haven't seen your name posted to any essays there. What's the big deal?

[Lightning Rod]

I, on the other hand, am a dramatist

and I understand that the very essence of drama is conflict

you can't have good story without tension

if it gets down to name calling, so be it.

I can call names with the best of them.

I say 'be nice, but only if you feel like it.'



as for the action poetry book
I'm stayin' out of this one.

[abcrystcats]

Doreen:

Death Threats -- "sit down on bed
take off wig and clown shoes
call police station
Put gun barrel in mouth"

This was totally uncalled-for.

FYI -- As we all know, printing the book on this site would be a flagrant copyright violation. And besides, why do it? I can't see why anyone would seriously make the suggestion or why anyone else would take the suggestion seriously.

Gawd! What a ridiculous discussion this is becoming !!!!! AAAAHHHHH!!!!

[perezoso]

Oh and after noting that Assher hisself had the nerve to crawl in here, probably after checking his NASDAC stock, I want to wish you and yours Levy, a sincere Phuck Off Pimp. Now i'm really leaving.

Mizz Abb: $50 sez ya will. Send note when ya get yr kneepads darlin'.

[Doreen Peri]

Eventually we got to the point where she said she would never post to LitKicks again, and I was annoyed and frustrated enough to happily accept her offer. Again, the last thing I ever want to do is make anybody feel excluded.

Sorry, Levi.

That's total crap.

I stopped by and posted on your site several times since you asked me to "take a break" and on all 3 occasions (i think there were 3), you responded with emails to tell me you weren't going to "publish" my posts and that I was no longer welcome at your site.

When I asked you why, your answers hurt my feelings.

So? Whatever. There was no valid reason, that's all I know.

Why was it made public? I was upset. LR was upset for me. He made it public because he agreed with me that I was being told not to post on a public website without valid cause.

This is the internet. Anything you type could be made public.

Welcome to Studio Eight.

Your posts will always be welcome here.

Congratulations on the book! It looks great.

[Doreen Peri]

Cat- I didn't see that. Nope, that wasn't very nice. I wouldn't call it a "death threat", though. I'd call it a "suicide suggestion." *smile* I'm sure he was kidding. But I agree. As I said before, I don't dig that kinda talk.

peresozo - Thank you and happy holidays to you, too! Hope you decide to come back and join us by posting some of your essays and taking part in discussions. Just be nice! LOL! (I know you hate that saying... sorry... couldn't help myself)

[abcrystcats]

No, not exactly a death threat, but why is it some people's remarks are considered "kidding" and others dead serious?

I don't mean to argue, but from some points of view, a suggestion to go and kill yourself is an even worse insult than the threat to come and do it for you. I didn't take that well, and if someone said that to me, I'd go AWOL.

just my POV ...

[Dave The Dov]

Thought I'd add my 2 cents worth here and say would there ever come day in which Studio 8 will publish it's own book????
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Honda Big Ruckus

[hester_prynne]

Good God.
If you notice, way back on the first page of this thread, Perezozo and I had come to a fine end of the discussion having stated our opinions, (opinions right, got that, opinions. Not a requirement to agree with anyone) then ST comes along and posts this:

"Credible people would make the effort to read a work i question before making a comment on it's quality or lack thereof.
Since niether of the people quoted above admitted to actually reading it before they proffered their effete down-the-nose opinions one can only rationally decide to disregard their assessment and opinions as less than informed.
Would they expect someone to actually consider their remarks as valid based soley on the fact that they saw the cover but didn't even read the forward, let alone the entire book?
It appears they do."

Scootertrash started the ugliness here. It's as plain as day!
What a bummer post, out of nowhere, he puts down my credibility, and yeah it hurt my fucking feelings so sue me. I feel very credible, hell, I've probably read way more of litkicks than scooter (or furnish for that matter) ever did. Probably more than Levi too! (heh)
It was just totally uncalled for.
Look, I enjoy Scooter's humor too, believe me, I've laffed my ass off at some of his posts. Heck, I think Perezozo is even funnier!
Most of all I've really been aiming at getting along, going with whatever, etc., but expressing myself honestly too, how I feel, what I think, etc. I'm pretty earnest about it, right or wrong, I'm not trying to be mean about the book.
I love a sharp wit, a gritty truth presented with sensitivity. But this was overboard, as Scooter often is, at the expense of a person's feelings, (mine for sure this time). Or perhaps having my credibility put down is something I should just shrug off?
Not this bitch! Heh.
Anyway, look man, these days, I don't stick around places anymore where I feel like I have to be on guard and that's how this makes me feel. Maybe i'm just too sensitive or something.
Maybe I should work on being less sensitive, but you know, I don't want to. I like my earnestness, my sensitivity. My heart is in the right place.
If Scooter's going to be encouraged to continue to goad anyone he likes whenever, well thats cool and fun! Go for it!
It ain't my bag.
It brings out the worst in me.
To see Perezozo taking most of the heat for an ugliness he didn't even start ain't cool for me either. He and I are both owed apologies from Scooter and his nasty post. But we won't get it.
"In hell they want ice water, that don't mean they get it..."
I'm not sure what I feel now. Nonspecific bad sort of describes it.
I think I'll have a break as well. I think that's the best next move for me too.
Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
Later,
maybe,
Hesty

[Doreen Peri]

You know what?

I hate the internet.

I never encouraged Scootertrash to talk trash and I never discouraged anybody from speaking their minds.

I never said perezoso wasn't funny.

I never said Scoot was more welcome here than him or anybody else.

What I said was I HATE to read people calling each other names and not treating each other in a civil manner.

That's it.

That's all I said.

If any of you want to read anything else between the lines of what I said and take it personally or anything like that, that's your prerogative, but you would be wrong if you did that.

I can't possibly read EVERY post! I don't have time!

I just saw some negativity being flung from several people here and I wanted to express that I didn't like negativity like that. I don't like slams on ANYBODY by ANYBODY!

Just as in my real life, I don't treat anybody differently than I treat anybody else on the internet. I try to treat everybody by being nice to them. Now, when I get slammed outa the clear blue sky for no reason whatsoever, you better believe I'll stand up for myself, too, and say FUCK YOU if I want to say it and I think it's a proper reply.

But, I do not like conflict... especially conflict that has no purpose... I enjoy a good debate but I don't participate in personal slams, nor do I condone them.

So, whatever you all want to think of my previous posts, go ahead.... Just know I'm a non-judgemental person who tries to forgive people for losing their tempers and also know that I have a temper, too.

I don't put people in boxes. I don't stifle people. And I don't stick around at places where I can't be myself either and I don't expect anybody else to.

We should all be able to be ourselves.....

I NEVER encouraged ANYBODY to "goad anyone he likes whenever."

ME? Would I encourage that?

No! I don't encourage goading and I don't encourage name-calling. I encourage getting along with each other.

I have a headache.

I really believe I hate the internet.

Fucking text.

I can't read it all and I can't keep up with every word that's typed or spoken.

I just got back from 4 hours at the airport and I need a drink.

Cheers.

Love to you all.

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[Scootertrash]

Good God.
If you notice, way back on the first page of this thread, Perezozo and I had come to a fine end of the discussion having stated our opinions,

Oh for Christ's sake. You came to a "fine end" alright.
It must be hard for you to accept the fact that this thread wasnt originally meant as a thread about you or perebozo.
But hijacking a thread isn't difficult to the self important and self centered. Because everything is about "them".

Judih specifically mentioned in the lead off it wasnt a book review, but just some light hearted banter about the photograph which I felt obliged to respond to. Then comes the self appointed and annointed voices of the high holy poobah Geek Chorus who figured it was a perfect place to launch into a rather self righteous though questionably motivated discussion slamming the litkicks action poetry book/project and the people involved in producing it- accompanied, of course, by the usual sour grape salad, bemoaning, wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Don't you get it? Read at the start of the thread-Where did you get the idea that it was about you or what you think?
Where did it say, "Theda, come on in here and start crying the blues." "Tell us for the 7,833rd time you don't like the cover of the book" In case you can't find it is because it doesn't even remotely go there. Yeah, you came to a "fine end". Boy howdy.
Judih merely commented on the picture, yet you insist on cattyness and sick soul bearing which not only isn't remotely connected to the original intent or topic of thread, it's also sappy, self centered crap and boring as hell.
Why don't you and perebozo start your own thread dissing whoever or whatever strikes your fancy. No one gives a shit.
You can both blow hot air up each other's ass til the cows come home. Go for it. Knock yourself out. Get that "fine end".
No one will bother either you because no one gives a shit.
You are a disengenous neurotic fruitloop and Perebozo is a sick asshole. Together you shall take inanity to new heights. Except you will think it's something sincerely of interest to anyone within eyeshot. Well, maybe it is to your therapist, they get paid for listening to that kind'a crap after all, but I think the readership here or anywhere else would respond with polite eye rolling and move on to something else.

[Doreen Peri]

Well.... I guess my request for people to "be nice" and quit name-calling doesn't mean much around here.

Everybody has the right to get angry about whatever they get angry about and everyone has the right to their opinions... I just don't understand why they have to be expressed with personal slams and name-calling.

I don't get it.

I don't think conflicts like these solve anything. I think they just make people upset. And for no reason.

As far as the thread turning into a thread where people post their critique about a book, even though it didn't start that way, I don't see anything wrong with it developing that way... but I don't think slams of people or projects are a good idea. I don't like it.

Related topic in that involves publishing..... I don't like slams, as I said, but when it comes time for the writers pages on this site to be launched, I DO like constructive criticism. If someone doesn't like the layout or design of my pages, I'd like to hear it. Don't slam me, though. Constructive criticism is welcome.

(Please do not read between these lines by telling me I'm saying what one person says is ok and what another person says is not ok. I'm not an "authoritary figure." These are just MY opinions. And I happened to be the person who put this site up online so I think it would be "NICE" if people ... ALL people here... would "be NICE" to each other.)

Thank you and cheers again.