A criminal and an outlaw!

Post by **eugeneherman** » July 4th, 2007, 8:15 pm

Three dynamics: What's the difference between a criminal and an outlaw, a lady and a woman or between style and class? I'll post my own notions on this after a while here!

Post by **Lightning Rod** » July 4th, 2007, 8:28 pm

a criminal violates the laws of god and man
and outlaw violates only the laws of man

I can't distinguish between a lady and a woman
but I'm sure it has something to do with style and class

Dylan said that 'to live outside the law you must be honest'
and also 'Lay Lady Lay'

Post by **Doreen Peri** » July 4th, 2007, 8:34 pm

I knew it was a different topic. I may have been born yesterday but I wasn't born last night.

Post by **eugeneherman** » July 4th, 2007, 9:08 pm

OK, here are my solutions to the three dynamics: A criminal is someone that allows themselves to be victimized by society and an outlaw refuses to be victimized! A woman is merely an adult female while a lady is one with the same power and authority as a lord, so a 5 yr. old girl can be a LADY if she has power etc., and style is a function of what you EXCLUDE while class is simply a function of intrinsic quality, a clam shell for an ashtray may be stylish but not class(y) a solid gold clamshell ashtray may be stylish AND class(y)!

Post by **Arcadia** » July 5th, 2007, 4:22 pm

. un fuera de la ley and a criminal: well, un fuera de la ley is not necessarily a criminal.
. a mujer and a lady: well a mujer is a mujer and a lady is a british woman.
. estilo and clase: you can have style not matter wich class you think you belong (you also can´t bother about style and class).

Post by **Doreen Peri** » July 5th, 2007, 4:46 pm

eugeneherman wrote:Three dynamics: What's the difference between a criminal and an outlaw, a lady and a woman or between style and class? I'll post my own notions on this after a while here!

A criminal is someone who breaks a law. An outlaw is someone who doesn't acknowledge all laws and therefore when he breaks a law and commits a criminal act, he doesn't feel he should be punished. He lives outside the law. Sorta like the people in the White House.

A woman is a female human being. A lady is a female human being who has self-respect, treats people with respect, and does not accept anything less than respect.

Style can be a number of things. If you're still talking about human characteristics, then style can be anything from being crass and domineering to being sophisticated or witty. Everybody has their own style. Style is how you project your personality. Class is different. To have class, you have to have self-respect, treat people with respect and not accept anything less than respect. In other words, to have class you'd have to be a lady.

No but seriously, men can have class, too. Of course I've known some men who had the philosophy that "low class is better than no class" but I'm not here to male bash or anything. I love men!

Post by **eugeneherman** » July 5th, 2007, 5:47 pm

Well Doreen, While i certainly respect your right to your opinions,(I) defer to the generally accepted definitions or common usage of terms and not my emotional or knee-jerk reactions to terminology. So in terms of general usage a criminal is someone who has been caught while the outlaw is a fugitive, A woman is an ADULT and a lady while possibly having self respect is in fact a woman of means or power or authority. Style is a unique dynamic of WHATEVER while class is a function of quality in terms of value or worth! Take advantage of that pesky dictionary, it can be very enlightening!

Post by **Doreen Peri** » July 5th, 2007, 5:55 pm

Hey if you wanted dictionary definitions, why didn't you say so?

That's easy enough.

And yeah a woman is an adult female human being. Correct.

Being a lady has nothing to do with having means (money) power or authority. Where did you get that from?

I was saying that a lady commands respect. That's what distinguishes her from being just a woman. How does she do this? By having self respect and by not accepting being disrespected.

That's not a dictionary definition, no. That's my definition. Which is what I thought you were asking for.

I spend a LOT of time looking up words in the dictionary and using a thesaurus. I do know where to find those authorities. I'm a writer. Without a dictionary or a thesaurus, I'd be a pretty piss-poor writer.

Given that this is a site for writers (and other artists, of course), I was simply using my writing skills to define the terms you were asking about. Isn't that what a discussion should be? Discussing opinions. *shrug*... that's just my opinion anyway.

As I said, I thought you were talking about human characteristics when you mentioned style, but yeah, style can be a dynamic of WHATEVER.

Whatever.

Oh and why did you mention knee-jerk reactions to terminology? Are you saying that you think I had a knee-jerk reaction to terminology? Or what? I don't understand.

Post by **eugeneherman** » July 5th, 2007, 6:10 pm

Well Doreen, This aspect of being a LADY i feel is when she may use her POWER or AUTHORITY or political muscle, you know, whatever is handy, to her ends, but your focus on self respect confuses me! So you are saying that with self loathing or depression or any other emotional stricture a woman ceases to be a lady? And terms are good whether they conform to dictionary definitions or not in play or exibit! JUST as long as we don't go off in our own key when everybody else is in Eb minor!

Post by **Doreen Peri** » July 5th, 2007, 6:21 pm

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lady

la·dy [ley-dee]
–noun
1. a woman who is refined, polite, and well-spoken: She may be poor and have little education, but she's a real lady.
2. a woman of high social position or economic class: She was born a lady and found it hard to adjust to her reduced circumstances.

According to dictionary.com, we are both correct. However, I was referring to the FIRST definition, not the second. You are referring to the second. As you see if you hit the link, there are 13 definitions. Some of the other definitions stress what you're saying about money and class and other definitions stress what I'm saying – being ladylike and refined.

To me being ladylike and refined means the woman has self-respect. That's all I'm saying. She HAS to respect herself in order to be refined and ladylike. That's what makes her a lady.

I hadn't thought about those women who are depressed. No, I wouldn't say that you can't be a lady if you're depressed. I don't think depression is a problem which is caused by having no self-respect. (Though, I'm sure depression can lead to lack of self-respect. It's depressing being depressed!

)

I have no idea what you mean by your musical analogy. Sorry.

Post by **Lightning Rod** » July 5th, 2007, 6:36 pm

A Lady is someone who behaves like a Lady --LR dictionary
it's a simple definition not qualified my means or circumstance or power

Post by **eugeneherman** » July 5th, 2007, 6:37 pm

Doreen, I believe you are still confused. You presume a polite (POLITICAL),refined(WATCHING HER P's AND Q's) and well spoken(CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT SHE SAYS) woman has SELF-RESPECT.Maybe she is just working a strategic position. I saw absolutely NOTHING in your dictionary.com about (self respect)!A lady has power OR wants power and smartly would protect it!

Post by **Doreen Peri** » July 5th, 2007, 6:42 pm

No, I'm not confused. You asked the studio eight posters to define the terms. I defined the terms offering MY definition. I'm not at all confused. Thanks.

And just in case you didn't know when you use ALL CAPS on the internet, people think you're yelling at them.

Post by **Lightning Rod** » July 5th, 2007, 6:42 pm

I don't think power comes into it

or self-respect (many people have self-respect that they are not entitled to.)

a lady behaves like a lady

this means that she can Command respect
rather than Demand respect

same definition goes for a gentleman

Post by **stilltrucking** » July 5th, 2007, 7:09 pm

Still Life With Woodpecker

"The difference between a criminal and an outlaw is that criminals frequently are victims, outlaws never are. Indeed, the first step toward becoming a true outlaw is the refusal to be victimized."

Great Novel
Thanks for reminding me of that bit.

I think a female is anatomical
but I think a lady could be anybody.

"That's why the lady is a tramp"

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