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Posted: September 10th, 2008, 8:15 pm
by YABYUM
when i am in any given situation with any random person and a knife or sharp object is present, i visualize puncturing that object through that persons throat. i visualize the blood. i visualize the suprised look on their face. it only lasts a second or two. it makes me laugh inside. how about you? do you ever visualize pointless, random executions?
Posted: September 10th, 2008, 8:26 pm
by Lightning Rod
Ronnie, story time
When my son was born, we did it at home. There was no doctor. Therefore the child was uncircumcised. A few days later, his mother and I decided that we should get him clipped. Not for religious purposes but for cosmetic and hygienic purposes.
The doc came. I was horrified at the thought of this operation. I would have asked for counseling and general anesthesia. But the doc said he would hardly feel it. I don't even think he was Jewish.
But it took about 1 second. My son got red and looked insulted and cried for about thirty seconds. And then it was over. He never mentioned it to me.
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Posted: September 10th, 2008, 8:36 pm
by YABYUM
so whats your answer to thoughts on random execution? i am being totally serious here. denese thinks i need "help". but really and truly i visualize this exact thing sometimes. its not an urge or some desire, just a thing i fuckin think about in the same way i see random females in random sexual positions everyday.
i was being interviewed today for a supervisors position at work by the "big cheese". there was a letter opener next to him. while i was talking and selling myself, i imagined how dumb he would look blleding and suprised that he now had a letter opener jabbed through his neck. it helped me overcome any feelings of superiority in the air.
Posted: September 11th, 2008, 12:13 am
by mtmynd
hey, Ron -
it's always the neck, eh?
your last line: "it helped me overcome any feelings of superiority in the air." do you mean you felt inferior in the boss's presence? if so, was it how he spoke or what he was saying?
Posted: September 11th, 2008, 8:17 am
by stilltrucking
I used to think I was a coward for a long time because I used to get the shakes before a fight. Not until I ran a sleeper team with a lot of combat vetarans (life takers, they were life takers Ronnie, but we never talked about that) and one of my combat veterans told me what the "adrenalin shakes" were. Yeah I get the passing thoughts, I think a knife would be my second choice of a weapon. My bare hands most preferred. I see the smiling face of some slick sophistical political pundit on his weekly column in my local paper and I imagined what his head would look like as a bloodly unrecognizable as human clot of mangled tissue and teeth.
But I have almost got that under control, I mean I am talking nano seconds now Ron. They flash so quickly the adrenalin & testostorone don't have time to boil into my blood. If I am unusually infuriated to an extreme where I get those thoughts I spit. Nasty habit, I got from my maternal grandmother, she could never mention the name H*tler, it was always referred to as "him" and then she would make a little spiting gesture. So I spit on my morning paper a lot these days. I don't think I would ever spit on a real live human being. Not worth the broken bones, and my bones are so got dam brittle these days.
Interesting conversation you had with that guy Ronnie, do you think he picked up on your vibes or thoughts?
I got a friend who worked in the prision system he was interview a prisoner and even thought the conversation was civil the hairs on the back of my friends neck started to prickle. My friend is a retired air force flight surgeoun, fear is not an issue for him. He is not given over to them.
I don't know if I have answered your question yabyum but I tried. There is one person here who has given me the adrenalin shakes so bad I could hardly type, I was shaking so bad. But I never once even for a nan o second had a thought about raising my hand in anger at him.
What gets me is the times in my life when some reptillian cold blooded down deep primitive part of my brain took over my thoughts and I tried to figure out how I was going to kill that guy on that trawler I worked on. A long night of the soul, if you don't mind a cliche.
I wasn't trying to figure out how to get a way with murder. No I had no plans to get away, I wasn't trying for no perfect murder. I just wanted to kill him quick and easy with no muss no fuss. I did not want him to suffer, I just wanted him dead. I decided to kill him in his sleep. Then I tried to figure out where to get a gun. A gun seemed like my best bet. I was going to shoot him and walk away. Just walk away not run. I figured I was not smart enough to get away with and I would probably get caught.
But if I did not get caught that was even better. In the middle of all this cold murderous rage the sun came up and it disipated like the morning mist of june morning in Ilwaco harbor. I decided to put it all down to karma, and figured I must have had it coming.
I got on a bus for tennesse and joined a Quaker Meeting in Nashville.
Seems like I was a natural born quaker and shaker.
I hope the above makes some sense. I am doing an open text box ramble, spontaneous gibberish. I will run it through a spell checker at least and repost.
Posted: September 11th, 2008, 8:41 am
by stilltrucking
I think Cecil heard you too when he asked
it helped me overcome any feelings of superiority in the air." do you mean you felt inferior in the boss's presence? if so, was it how he spoke or what he was saying?
Edited version but not much improved except for spelling, awkward sentences remain. I hope it is not too painful to read.
I suppose what I am getting at with my segue into the story about the flight surgeon was:
Have you thought about what it was in the conversation with the boss that might have sparked those thoughts, something in his attitude, facial expression, body language or words that he himself might not have been aware of?
A power trip for example or as we hippies yoused to call it an ego trip? Like you were supposed to sniff his asshole and like it? I doubt he picked up on you, I got a feeling you hardly exist for him to even consider as a person with thoughts of your own.
"bosses are like diapers, full of shit and all over your ass"
I have had some great jobs and some crazy bosses, it seems worse when they come together on the same job. If it was a lousy job I would just quit, if it was a good job I would hope my sense of humor would get me through the day.
I used to think I was a coward for a long time because I used to get the shakes before a fight. Not until I ran a sleeper team with a lot of combat veterans (life takers, they were life takers Ronnie, but we never talked about that) and one of my combat veterans told me what the "adrenalin shakes" were. Yeah I get the passing thoughts, I think a knife would be my second choice of a weapon. My bare hands most preferred. I see the smiling face of some slick sophistical political pundit on his weekly column in my local paper and I imagined what his head would look like as a bloody unrecognizable as human clot of mangled tissue and teeth.
But I have almost got that under control, I mean I am talking nano seconds now Ron. They flash so quickly the adrenalin & testosterone don't have time to boil into my blood. If I am unusually infuriated to an extreme where I get those thoughts I spit. Nasty habit, I got from my maternal grandmother, she could never mention the name H*tler, it was always referred to as "him" and then she would make a little spiting gesture. So I spit on my morning paper a lot these days. I don't think I would ever spit on a real live human being. Not worth the broken bones, and my bones are so got dam brittle these days.
Interesting conversation you had with that guy Ronnie; do you think he picked up on your vibes or thoughts?
I got a friend who worked in the prison system he was interviewing a prisoner and even though the conversation seemed civil & prisoner was smiling, the hairs on the back of my friends neck started to prickle. My friend is a retired air force flight surgeon; fear is not an issue for him. He is not given over to them.
When the hairs on his neck began to rise he started focusing more on what the guy said more closely. And he realized what the guy was really saying behind the chit chat.
I don't know if I have answered your question yabyum but I tried. There is one person here who has given me the adrenalin shakes so bad I could hardly type, My hands were shaking so bad. But I never once even for a Nan o second had a thought about raising my hand in anger at him. When I am really angry he is my go to guy.
What gets me is the times in my life when some reptilian cold blooded down deep primitive part of my brain took over my thoughts and I tried to figure out how I was going to kill that guy on that trawler I worked on. A long night of the soul, if you don't mind a cliché.
Revenge:
I wasn't trying to figure out how to get a way with murder. No I had no plans to get away, I wasn't trying for no perfect murder. I just wanted to kill him quick and easy with no muss no fuss. I did not want him to suffer, I just wanted him dead~. I decided to kill him in his sleep. Then I tried to figure out where to get a gun. A gun seemed like my best bet. I was going to shoot him and walk away. Just walk away not run. I figured I was not smart enough to get away with it and I would probably get caught.
But if I did not get caught that was even better. In the middle of all this cold murderous rage the sun came up and it dissipated like the morning mist of June morning in Ilwaco harbor. I decided to put it all down to karma, and figured I must have had it coming. And the prospect of going to prison for life or worse did not seem worth a moments pleasure.
I got on a bus for Tennessee and joined a Quaker Meeting in Nashville.
Seems like I was a natural born Quaker and shaker.
I hope the above makes some sense. I am doing an open text box ramble, spontaneous gibberish. I will run it through a spell checker at least and repost.
I don't know what to say about getting help. denese is a level headed person. Maybe she is right But it sounds like a kind of normal guy thing to me.
But
Don't listen to me man, I am certified, certified crazy by my local selective service draft board back in the sixties. I never got to do my patriotic chore in vietnam just because after my father died I used to go to bed at night thinking about putting a shot gun up onder my chin and resting my finger on the trigger and drifting off to sleep.
So maybe I am so crazy it seems sane to me.
Probably Denyse is right
But what happens if you go to get help and the fucking psychiatrist is crazier than you are?
Been twenty nine years, so I can't even begin to speak to the sexual thing. I saw a woman walking across a parking lot the other day, from three hundred yards away my eyes locked onto her breasts, I think I have started to hallucinate. It seemed as if she pointed and accusing nipple at me.
J
I did seek help when those shot gun visions became so repetitive, night after night. But I think what helped me most was moving away from baltimore and everybody I knew.
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Posted: September 11th, 2008, 7:59 pm
by YABYUM
maybe "feeling of superiority" was a bad choice. he is actually a very decent man and a fine director of operations. that was just an example. a for instance. stilltrucking used a good word with nano seconds. these flashes are gone as soon as they start, but that they happen is kinda funny to me. it can be anyone. i was making out with a chick back east and i remember right after we broke apart from out kissing, i glanced at a beautiful glass bong she owned and just saw myself shattering it on the table and watching her throat open up. and Cecil....it is always the throat.
dont get alarmed here people. i have never or will never cut a persons throat or jab a random object through their neck, but for some reason, on any given day in any given situation thinking about it is fucnny. i promise you, i think about having sex with random women who i see much, much, much more. HOORAY FOR BOOBIES!!!!!
Posted: September 11th, 2008, 9:12 pm
by Arcadia
mmm... not exactly sharp objects, more like estrangulamiento visions!!

but not in a random way, only when I´m somehow angry. Though, it´s common seeing myself talking in a -let´s call it- not too proactive way...

Posted: September 11th, 2008, 9:16 pm
by mtmynd
Well, Ron, one thing we all know is without a throat no voice is heard, right? I couldn't tell you why you flash on throat cutting, but offer a suggestion or two.
How about cutting your own throat? Have you ever had a nano-second when you thought about doing something like that? Or does that idea absolutely turn you off... scare the shit outta you? Does throat cutting put a halt to saying something you want to say but are holding back saying - repressing your will to speak?
By substituting someone else's throat, say a girlfriend or a boss, takes the responsibility away from you. Or maybe what they might say to you, or what you think they might say to you, you 'stop them' by cutting their throat.
Just a couple of ideas that you may want to give a go. I know for myself when I challenge myself to asking questions that may trouble me, it's only right if I ask and respond to those questions as honestly as I can. I'm only asking one person - myself. No reason to bullshit our personal self is there?
All the answers we have are within us, because all the questions we have are in us. We may not know the language or not understand the reason we know. But that is not as important as recognizing the answers to our questions when the 'appear' to us or when we 'see' them or even hear the answers within us. The language or the reasons come to us after the question is revealed.
Posted: September 11th, 2008, 9:17 pm
by Doreen Peri
I think Denese is right.
Posted: September 11th, 2008, 10:16 pm
by Doreen Peri
I mean... I don't know that it's anything unusual to have such thoughts but who knows? Those in the professional field of analyzing the way people think would be able to give you more information about it. I often have thoughts about being on the other end of it.... imagining someone I'm talking to or some stranger I see at the store or on the road doing some violent act that directly effects me. And it's scary. But it doesn't last long... it's fleeting, as you said.
All of these types of thoughts, I suspect, are a result of the way the media has bombarded us with disturbing images and events.
It's probably perfectly normal to think about such things given the fact that we're bombarded with these type of images and stories all the time... but I'm just saying that if it's bothering you.... I'm with Denese... it might be a good idea to talk to someone who knows more about it.
I've been looking forward to seeing some baby photos!!!!!! When do you think you'll have some to share?
How are you and Denese and the baby doing?
Did you get the promotion?
I've been meaning to send you real mail for several months but haven't been able to do it yet. But I will, as I told you I would.
((((hugs)))) to you and your beautiful family!
Posted: September 12th, 2008, 4:21 am
by hester_prynne
Do you feel uncomfortable when those thoughts nano second through your mind?
I think it's rather normal to have bizarre nano second thoughts, but I also think you are not wise to be obsessing about them and giving them alot of attention. Let them fleet through. They are not real, they are merely thoughts. The fact that you seem to be obsessing about them, i.e. giving them alot of attention, indicates to me that perhaps you are feeling vulnerable now in some way. Father hood is a big committment my friend.
Breathe, relax, let the thoughts go, THEY ARE NOT REAL UNLESS YOU MAKE THEM REAL.
If you can't let them go, get some counseling, get yourself some attention.
It's definately not funny. But maybe not such a big deal either kiddo.
All of us human beings are capable of shocking cruel bloody things.
Doesn't mean we have to do them. I mean we are capable of not doing those things too. Don't forget that.
Stop entertaining the thoughts Ronnie.
Hester

Posted: September 12th, 2008, 6:20 am
by Dave The Dov
I never think about those kind of thoughts!!!!
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Posted: September 12th, 2008, 10:50 am
by izeveryboyin
I think every person has some kind of brief flash of thought about something that doesn't seem normal to think about. I for instance get the urge to jump, just to see what would happen when I'm on high ledges. It's not because I want to die, or am depressed and suicidal. It's just a brief thought and then I get away from the edge and it's gone. I believe this is most likely why I have a fear of heights. IT is the only thing that keeps me from jumping even though I know what will happen. It's total irrational thought, and I think everyone gets some form of it. But that doesn't mean that it couldn't hurt to talk about it. I myself would like to delve deeper into my issues. And, I think you'll find that when you're in a relationship, if your partner really thinks you should do it, eventually you;ll end up doing it anyway, or else REALLY aggravated because you have to keep hearing them suggest it. LOL.
--k
Posted: September 17th, 2008, 6:22 pm
by stilltrucking
All I am trying to say is yeah okay seek professional help if you think you need it. All I am saying is watch out for the cure. I hope you don't run into a pill pusher.
nothing wrong with that I suppose, it's legal.
Yeah passing thoughts iz, i don't know what kind of drugs you or yabyum took but some of them leave you "naked to the lidless eye" to quote tolkien and or doreen's son.
huxley talked about cleaning or clearing the doors of perception, buddhists got it down pretty good when it comes to those passing thoughts, non attachement. but if someone is quick to anger as I am, and violence seems to be his first nature, I got to watch out for things like effexor rage.
But ronnie got more class then me, he was always out for a fair fight, not a back stabber like me.
You know I wanted to be part of the great litchicks writers workshop, but they refused me and sent my twenty bucks back. Told me to seek professional help. I took it kind of personal at the time, I thought they meant profession edtors for my scribblings. But now I think there might have been a subtext that I missed.
