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ST: I am not what I used to be

NS: What did you "used to be"?

"If you want to know how you look when asleep, stand in front of a mirror with your eyes shut." (L.J. Peter)

I will have to try that tonight...I have seen some spooky things in my mirror and on the back of my eyelids..


When I was pretty sure I had lung cancer a few years ago I would stand in front of a mirror and look at my reflection on the surface of my pupil... Like seeing my reflection on the surface of a soap bubble

Kind of an Escher thing. for me Like seeing my reflection on the surface of a soap bubble. My existence as tenuous as the surface tension of a bubble.

Excellent M.C. Escher! Thank you.
I'm a long time fan of the man with the magic hand.

ST: I have seen some spooky things in my mirror and on the back of my eyelids..

NS: Cocaine may go with mirrors, but acid and mirrors don't mix at all.

ST: When I was pretty sure I had lung cancer a few years ago

NS: How did that turn out for you, proven/disproven?

ST: I would stand in front of a mirror and look at my reflection on the surface of my pupil... Like seeing my reflection on the surface of a soap bubble

NS: That would make for an infinite regression of reflected truckers, still trucking into the eyes of endlessly eyeing truckers. I've never tried your experiment, but then, why would I when one relection should suffice anyone.

ST: My existence as tenuous as the surface tension of a bubble.

NS: That would depend upon what exactly you took yourself to be, wouldn't it? For example, if you take yourself to be what you 'think' you are, then you are even more tenuous as a passing thought than as a bubble's reflection.

"When the lover contemplates the Beloved's beauty in form's mirror,
pain and pleasure are born, grief and joy are manifest, fear and
hope come together, contraction and expansion make their rounds.
But when he strips off the robes of form and dives into Unity's
All-embracing Ocean, he knows nothing of torment or bliss,
expectation or dread, fear or hope; for these depend on past and
future, and he now drowns in a sea where time is abolished, where
all is Now upon Now. " (Sufi Fakhruddin 'Iraqi, 'Divine Flashes')
Salaam Alaikum

A dwitzel
a shadow
I am still the kid
I see in the mirror
sixty hears ago
sixty one years agoI think
the one with the belt looped around his neck
hanging from a coat hook
long before the drugs
in the shaman's cave
have I hallucinated

sometimes you just got to trust the evidence of your eyeballs
long time gone
funny how the drone of a diesel engine
starts to sound like the mystic syllable
after a long time
I am still addicted to that grind
as I sit here and stare into Husserl's field of visual sensation

"do not objectify sensory data" The dolly llama

ST: "do not objectify sensory data" The dolly llama

NS: Do not objectify the 'dolly llama,' nor the Self of the one who objectified him.

ST: as I sit here and stare into Husserl's field of visual sensation

Husserl: "An essential feature of the thing-world that no perception, however perfect it may be, gives us anything absolute within its domain. Every experience, however far it extends, leaves open the possibility that what is given, despite the persistent consciousness of its bodily self-presence, does not exist. It is an essentially valid law that existence in the form of a thing is never demanded as necessary by virtue of its giveness, but in a certain way is always contingent." ('Ideas') [/b]

"Do you have a flair for the obvious?"

http://www.studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtop ... t+universe

Never read much Husserl
Just one book

I liked the cover
It had a picture of Ouroboros on it

Contingent is such a rock and roll word
I used to wonder if God and Einstein shot craps with a contingent universe.

Husserl: "An essential feature of the thing-world that no perception, however perfect it may be, gives us anything absolute within its domain. Every experience, however far it extends, leaves open the possibility that what is given, despite the persistent consciousness of its bodily self-presence, does not exist.

Would ol' Huss consider every word we're reading here, every word he has written, all these words may simply not exist? And if so, how do 'we' answer/explain that which does not exist without acknowledging our thoughts on the subject have to exist in order to explain..?

I left out a couple of dots Cecil. I was looking for a guide book on how to deal with what Freud called Das Unheimliche.

In the words of the great Chinese detective
"where can I find a man who forgets about words and have a word with him."


I don't have much to say about Husserl anymore. I am so much younger now.
I just liked his descriptive language when dealing with space time

"The two fold continuous multiplicity of the field of visual sensation "

His distinction between objective time and subjective time.
subjective time is infinite
objective time is a melody

Event Horizon


I have not picked the book up in over a year. The last I remember I was on page 180. But I think I lost the thread around page 140 because that is where I stopped making annotations in the margins.

Carried that book around so many miles I wore the cover illustration off. But the binding is still good.

I remember you advised me to give it up because if I had not been able to finish reading it in thirty years I never would. Maybe that is what Non Sum meant when he said I should take y our advice.

More dots, the time I stole a Mercedes Benz convertible from the garage I was working at and took a joy ride while tripping.

Ram Das was right about acid I think, subtle changes to the brain that take a long time to be cognizant of. Some of them. For me anyway.

So much Greek and Latin words Husserl used. I got used to that, but when I got tired of his neologisms I gave up. I was looking for plain talk not jargon.

Ramble ramble
Yes what does a broken clock keep, mingo asked.

My clock is running slower and slower, the years fly by.

Sorry about the Dolly LLama crack, I just can't remember how spell it, Dali Lama?
The bit about objectifying sensory data is from a book called The Art of Happiness. Written in collaboration with an American Psychiatrist. A book I have working my way through for about three years. Maybe five years.

It is howdy doody time
show and tell
Poor Ouroboros you can hardly make it out.

JT: Words lets not talk about words okay. Lets forget about words.

I was preparing myself to do that when I noticed you had posted an additional 348 words after that comment. How about that! That darned D.T. Suzuki keeps coming back to me, verifying "hu'mans talk"... indeed we do, as old Suzuki, who should know having written some 24 books or so, including collaborations, in his lifetime.

Read it again if you will
it is now 216 words in total


read this bit yesterday that really cheered me up.
Not sure if it is the same Suzuki you are talking of.

"But that is all right, that is not a problem. We should be very grateful to have a limited body...like mine, or like yours. If you had a limitless life it would be a real problem for you"
— Zen Mind, Beginners mind.—

http://www.studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=18372

Husserl: "An essential feature of the thing-world that no perception, however perfect it may be, gives us anything absolute within its domain. Every experience, however far it extends, leaves open the possibility that what is given, despite the persistent consciousness of its bodily self-presence, does not exist.

You must be talking to Non Sum Cecil. Sorry to butt in.

I don't know jack shit about Husserl,



I was just wondering about non sum's user name.

Latin, I took it in high school can't remember nothing about it.

I hope Non Sum gets back to you on Husserl, I am no help
going to back on out of here.
Only thing I can say about Husserl is that he was helpful for me, got me through some scary times

Husserl knew time, Kerouac knew time too.
Me I am a temporal spastic
I feel like Billy Pilgrim

JT: Read it again if you will
it is now 216 words in total

Hmmm... I come up with 333 words now beginning with -

"I don't have much to say about Husserl anymore..."

Maybe my 'word count' is off today. But it really matters little when words is all we got, eh?

Zen Mind - Beginner's Mind was written by Shunryu Suzuki, who I don't think was related to D.T. Suzuki, but I could be wrong.

JT: "I don't know jack shit about Husserl"

Neither do I, Jack... shit! I don't know anything about any philosopher that I can think of.

I first ran across Husserl in a novel called The Philosopher's Stone by Colin Wilson

I have only ever read that one book by him.

Homo unius libri (beware the man of one book)

Van Morrison came out with an album/CD by that name, Philosopher's Stone. Damn good. Never read Colin's book, tho. Did you enjoy it?

JT: Homo unius libri (beware the man of one book)

Is that the same thing as the man of one (anything)..?

Hey MT,
MT: Would ol' Huss consider every word we're reading here, every word he has written, all these words may simply not exist?

NS: Yes, that is exactly what he is suggesting.

MT: And if so, how do 'we' answer/explain that which does not exist without acknowledging our thoughts on the subject have to exist in order to explain..?

NS: Your words and thoughts, his (Huss’s) word’s and thoughts, the entire sensorial/conceptual world, does Not “have to exist in order to explain…” that proof of their existence is not provided. The world cannot validate itself, any more than the Christian Bible can serve to validate the Christian god.

Yes, this all flies in the face of good common sense, of which you are well provided, my friend. Most of us all began with some portion of this ‘feet on the ground,’ commonsensical pov, and retain much of it, until we lose our cherry to the rapine thoughts of the: Idealists, Phenomenologists, Skeptics, Empiricists, Mystics, or Quantum Physicists. It can be a bit like losing one’s religion a second time for those inclined towards faith.

”Objects rise and disappear in, and of, the mind only.” (Lankavatara Sutra)

Hey ST,
ST: I was just wondering about non sum's user name.

NS: As you might expect, ‘Non Sum’ originated from a quote. Also, as to be expected, it is a Mystic’s quote, i.e. the Christian mystic, ‘Blessed Henry Suso,’ who sermonized:

”When the king's messenger asked John the Baptist who he was, he answered: "Non sum" (I am not). Ah, what inexpressible depths lie hidden in this non sum! Alas, nobody wants to walk in this path. Everybody wants to be something. Everybody would rather walk in any other path than in this one. God help us, we think we are something and we always want to be something. In this respect we are all fettered in heavy chains and we do not even want to be freed of our imprisonment. We would rather perform ten actions than submit to one profound inaction.

But the desire to be nothing establishes us in true, essential, permanent peace at all times, in all places, and with all people. It is the noblest and most precious possession we can acquire on earth. And yet not one, whether old or young, rich or poor, strives to possess it.

(I've only read Wilson's, 'The Outsider.' VG!)

ST: Homo unius libri (beware the man of one book)

NS: 'Cavere homo unius libri,' no?