Studio8 - Uniting the Arts

Doreen my friend...I need to disagree with you about locking the flame board.

I realize that this is your place (and an amazing place it is for sure!) and I truly believe that this very island that you are creating has the potential to be all that any other site has every been and more, bar none but please reconsider your actions.

I know you never liked the flames over on litkicks but sometimes one needs a place to discharge, unload, well...take a dump and a flame board can serve such a purpose. It is like a TV wasteland, if one doesn't like it, they need not go there but don't eliminate the choice. Now, I realize what you were doing but really, I ain't no lady, just a broad who carries a Zen stick. I need a place like flames or mindless chatter. I can take care of myself....those kiddies don't bother me except for the fact that they have no manners and how can I make them realize the error of their ways if I have no forum to do so? Sure, make some rules for Flames, tell them not to call folks names or sumpin' but don't lock away flames....Please.

Peace,
SooZen

I couldn't agree with you more, sooz

the subject almost causes domestic strife around here

doreen and I have differing opinions on how to manage the situation.

Last night she said to me, "Soozen will never post here again, because mean Mr. Mustard Seed has hurt her feelings."

I said, "I think sooz is a big girl and way too savvy to let her row boat get rocked by such juvenile antics."

I'm inclined to let everyone at least have a crack at taking care of themselves. It usually works out better. If you want to step in the fire, you should be able to do so.

I think you are right on time about there needing to be a place where you can get a little tough and exercise extreme peer pressure. Some people need a stern teacher. (like Mescalito)

I am enjoying this site tremendously.
I was taken back initially when I had gotten insulting comments from one individual during the eight day word jam, but used it as a means for further expressiveness, such as in "i pour piss for a living" , etc and " salami vomit above the clouds" ( a real incident, by the way, troop plane full of soldiers, just boys, and they all got sick, a sad scene, and not the tone i care to exhibit, unless it has some redeeming value,....but at the time the comments i'd gotten from aforesaid sad individual were hurting and i had to work it.)

Since then, I have appreciated your clarity about the tone of respect on this board and am appreciative about that.

It made me feel a bit of faith again in my fellow kindred spirits.

I am glad that you have locked down the "flames" board and appreciate the responsibility and values you are showing.

I have unloaded a bunch of drawings saved in my backyard shack. Many of them were covered with a plastic wraps that were dusty, dirty. I have only one more that I want to scan, a nite cityscape from NYC and also want to rescan my "fear and loathing" in the original brown ink that it was drawn in.....

Otherwise my whole series of posts would like to group under one heading someday, "long time passing"

and facing forward to the healed visions that are now waiting to be expressed.

I enjoy greatly the people here and am glad about the whole vibration thing that is coming to light.
Jimbo
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yo ho ho an a bottle of rum om

Seeing SooZen appear on flames made me realize that energy can not be destroyed - only transformed.
take a flame, any flame (nothin up her sleeve) and watch the doves fly out of the hat, leaving a slight stench of wet dove shit, but still off go those energetic wings, and don't we all feel better for watching the transformation?

in other words, when Soo does flames, i see the merit in offering the time and space to do them.

Those who love to hang out there and only there are not those who hang out at the Studio, here.

But still, if the presence of flames posts inflames doreen, then it's her choice to lock em. Weird, though. Kinda reminds me of first thing Sunday morning (first day of the week here), when people come to their work place with a heavy chip on their shoulder and anyone in their way gets slamdunked into a drawer, locked and sealed away from view.

But as i said, it's Doreen's call.

judih

I unlocked the board

I did it

it was me

I confess

doreen is asleep

I have the admin button too

I probably won't get laid for a week because of this

Lrod...of course, I am well aware of where you stand on this issue and I hope that I am not the cause of any recent strife in your lives for all I want to promote is Peace. Doreen, as judih has said, this is your call and I will abide by anything or rule that you see fit and I do appreciate you letting me voice my opinions on this issue. Thanks.

jimbo...some of us are waaay more emphathetic and sensitive than others and should not be subjected to abusive behaviors if they do not want it. It is just as violent an act on the mind as any senseless, foolish physical violence. There is also psychical (is that a word?) violence which can do much harm to those that are not armed. I myself have learned to arm myself with a shield and am ready to go forth and spread the light and whack a few idiots to see if their minds will spill out of the darkness they hide in... Flames is just such a place, like Blake's purgatory, I cannot be burned because of my lack of hate and/or anger.

judih...bird shit? Man o Man, I love you!!!

SooZ

Oh boy Lrod...you're a bad, bad boy. I hope you make Dor a nice breakfast or lunch or something cuz you're gonna need the strokes.

I was the editor of the Air Force ROTC newspaper
one semester, winter, 1968.
We called it, "The Flaming Ace."

Turns out the guy who started calling it that,
Tom Barnes, I still remember ya,
was into his own underground GI rag
about three years later and so was I,

Off the Brass
at different bases and after different journeys
same karma.....

they changed the name
of the rotcee rag to
Blue Salute
after that
the hippy student body
was "demoralising"
an they had play it straight
by their boxed an bordered minds

yet freedom does know limits an
am with Doreen on this one, LR

Yoo could open an new forum, an call it
blue balls.

I have not involved myself greatly with procedural matters here at Studio Eight.
I spend most of my time reading and writing. It's not of great concern to me when
this person can't get along with that person or when someone's feelings get hurt
because they can dish it out but they can't take it. My attitude is if you can't run with
the big dogs, then stay on the porch.

But I'm a man and I have pretty thick skin. I also hold in my heart the Christian principle
that offense is something that can't be given, only taken.

But doreen is a woman and a sensitive one. She wants everything to be nice. She wants
the pictures on the wall to be straight and the floors to be clean and all the guests to treat
each other politely.

Myself, I don't mind seeing a little spit fly. I think that there would be no literature or theater without conflict.
In fact I think conflict is one of the best ways to solve problems and raise consciousness.

Peace is not the end of conflict, not at all,
but we have choices to make an altho
i find it unfortunate that
i myself am somewhat
damned by

the macabre wit
perezozo

but
shit wit?

it's a choice
an i
voice
pottery not
pity pot

by the way
what has it got do do with manliness or feminity
anyhow
nat a stitch
an asshole
can be a bastard
or
a
bitch

so youre a man
but without sensitivity
youre just a boy
oy

why not then
walk into the flames
fuel the transformation
of ordinary forms
into the exquisite and
rare.

fire it up.

kiln

Doreen, do what you will......

You're a sweet gal.........

BUT YOU'RE MAKING A MISTAKE!

Selfishly I ask....
Where will I go when I'm feeling a little foul?
How will I cleanse my soul?

Anyway, I state again....

No one has to go in there. No one is dragged in there by their heels kicking and screaming. Now we might be kicking and screaming when we enter, but ain't nobody being dragged.

I have extremely thin skin...
My problem....
You needn't be a shield for any of us.
'Sides that you're too slim, the slings and arrows will fly right by and into our tender sides.

Quit your worrying.

Laugh, sing, dance, write, float amid the clouds, fly high above the seedy, seamy side,
the underbelly that is
the fireplace of hell.

I was trying to make a statement.

I hadn't made a decision yet about whether to unlock it later.

Apparently that decision has been made for me.

The statement is the same statement I've been making since we opened the boards up.

I didn't like it so much, sooZ, that you showed up after such a long absence and posted such beautiful sentiments about peace but immediately rude comments were said to you. Sure, you did post in that board and people can say you should have expected it, but I don't look at it that way. Flames or no flames, you didn't deserve comments like that.

But I was really just trying to make a statement. There are many ways we could operate these boards. There are not many boards on the internet that don't have set rules and regulations with a police force enforcing them. I'm glad we're not one of those boards but it hasn't been easy.

There have been people who have left this place and will not come back. "You can't tell a book by it's cover, but you sure can tell a lot about a person by the people they keep company with." That's what got to me. What does it say about me that I am OK with throwing a party in my house and allow guests to trash the place and regurgitate on the carpet, without doing anything about it? I don't like losing friends because I am judged by them for the company I keep. And it's already happened.

Anyway, thank you all for your kind words about the site. I'm very happy you enjoy coming here.

Again I was only trying to make a statement about the way things can change and the various ways the site could be operated. I thought it might be an eye-opening statement. But I hadn't had enough sleep so I went back to sleep for a while and my statement got unmade.

Oh well.

But you're very right, sooZ... I never liked the Flames board at Litkicks and I really don't want to host garbage like that.

Whatever makes everyone happy. That's all I want.

i didn't even know there WAS a flames board

maybe i should look around here a bit more

Sooz

Your words do indeed have power.

Merely by reading them you have caused a man many miles from you to stand to attention. To salute you, as it were, your fine and moving(apparently) words.

Sigh......

Would that my humble scratchings and scrawlings could have such effect! Move to such unwonted action!

What's that saying?

"Laugh and the world laughs with you.
Cry and you cry alone."

Not sure if that fits here, but, can't hurt.....

Actually the LitKicks flame board often had the best conversations. and writing. Some of it was drivel and dreck--i.e that posted by an unnamed oregon bum--but most of it was far more intelligent than the remainder of the board.

Much better and more intelligent content than the fireplace here... You're absolutely right about that.