"f This Interracial Stuff Keeps Up, They'll Be No More

[izeveryboyin]

This is what some old ladies were talking about on the train a couple of days ago. Basically, their whole conversation was trying to prove how bad mixing races in couples was for the safety of Races as a whole. "If they keep mixing races, there'll be none left." I found this hilarious, and yet, infuriating. I've dated outside my race a number of times, and I've dated within my race, but honestly, I just don't think it matters. If you love somone, you love them for who they are, not for where there parents hail from. And I mean, wouldn't that solve the race problem to begin with? If everyone mixed races, then there'd be no such thing. Then we couldn't discriminate, we'd all be muts. But I suppose I can understand wanting to preserve one's culture, that is a noble thing to do. But if that preservation gets in the way of the lives and loves of everyone else, then something is just not going right. There are still more couples within their own races than there are interracial ones, anyway. And I suppose that is how it will always be. Studies show that this is often because you can relate to someone who has grown up in a similiar setting as you, but sometimes, race does not change that. I went out with an Italian once and he was raised in a neighborhood not far from mine, with parents who seemed to act just like mine, and we eneded up hating each other. I don't think race can change anything with respect to that. It honestly just depends on the person. "The Italian" and I had just about nothing in common with each other, and we were practically raised in the smae house. Point is... it just doesn't fucking matter, right?

[Dave The Dov]

She is Chinese and I've know her for a few years now. Yeah it's more like a friendship these day. Although we have gone out in the past but due to her being busy with her work. We can't see much of each other but we are trying to work something so as in order to go out one of these days. I do send her flowers for her birthday and she thanks me for that as well.
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[AQuestion]

Speaking as one of the living threats to the perfect pure state of the white race and the equally perfect and pure state of the black race, well, dagnabit, I think it's hai time we all just get over race period.

The next bit that I'm going to add might seem to disregard what I just said, but in reality it doesn't and I think it deserves mention.

One thing that really gets me is how, if you're mixed with black and anything else, then people (mostly black people) are all like..."hey, if you black, you black". And then there will be white people (most of whom are, in my experience, young white men) who try to be like "yo, what's up dog?" like it's cool. Like I "talk" like that. Like you know me. Not like it matters how one talks, but man, at the same time....it's just...a misplacement of behaviour when dealing with another person who you are socially conditioned to act a certain way around. So, if you're black, then you're black, even if you're actually mixed with something else too. Like Halle Berry, who was the first "African American female" to win an Oscar. So then, you must surely talk a certain way, must surely adhere to certain ideals, have come from a specific kind of neighborhood, had experiences that only someone of your race could have had.

I could think of a few other instances where children of other racial mixes involuntarily (and voluntarily too of course, but I guess that's not as bad and possibly even a little bit different because it was a personal decision and not imposed, although I have a bit of trouble with this too) get classified as "one or the other" or something like that. ANd it's usually based solely on looks.

Of course, at the same time, I'm trying to be understanding of this kind of thing because of the history behind it all. People are all funny about certain things/issues, not the least of which is race, because of the way that history has shaped our attitudes and feelings and behaviour.

I do know that the whole multi-racial movement has been gaining recognition. Well, at least in America. And at least I think that it has. One example I think of is that of the 2000 census, where, for the first time in U.S. history ever, there was a multi-racial category and/or folks were allowed to check all that applied or write them in or something like that. In the aftermath of the census, the results displayed a large number of the population that were, or at least considered themselves to be multi/bi-racial. I think that's how the story goes. correct me if I'm wrong, anyone.

So yeah, I know that people may be coming around, however slow the going is, but that's just it: we're still at a point where we still have a need to talk and share and express and exchange and acquaint where race is concerned.

ANd I was only being specific in addressing the U.S. Just think about what's going on in the rest of the world. I've often heard a lot of folks tell me, upon hearing me complain about how much of a problem race is in America, "Oh go to Europe. They don't even think about it there." and "You need to get out of the country, most places in the world don't have issues with race like The U.S. does" or "Yeah, in France, it doesn't matter what color you are"...I'm not exactly arguing with these proclamations, but at the same time, I admit that I'm a skeptic. For one thing, I've heard about Denmark and the U.K. and really, many European countries being funn about immigration, all about the quotas when it comes to Arabs and Muslims (I know that a lot of that has to do with relgious issues, but is there racial motivation embedded somewhere in there too? well, I'm not sure...I'm considering though). and one time, not so long ago, I was listening to MPR and this lady, an African American scholar, was talking about her first trip to France and how she was treated so well that she ended up staying there and seeking permanent residence. But, she noted that the French-Africans in the country were not treated very nicely in contrast to the warmth that she recieved. I'm not trying to defragment this woman's credibility, but honestly I haven't been to France myself as of yet, so I don't know from personal experience what it's really like there.
I dunno....ok I'm totally ranting! Sorry! I don't get to rant about race too often I guess. It's been a touchy and aggravatingly huge issue in my life.

Race! bah!


Personally I'm in favour of the complete erradication of the concept of race or else the abolishment of the mentality that promotes our seeing race as a barrier that inhibits our freedom and peace of mind and happiness and expression and progression. Actually after having read what I just wrote, I would say that it's the latter that I really want to go away for infinity.
So what that it might not be until a million and one C. D. before such a goal may be achieved. I'm still going to strive for it.

now excuse me while I go tongue another outside of my race but inside of my species...

[Trevor]

"Are you offering?"...but no hanky panky, I'm already spoken for....ohhh I bet that just broke a thousand hearts and crushed the dreams of million women ...lol... we'll have to date platonically, which of course means you'll have to pick up the cheque and send a car for me, plus you'll have to drag my drunk ass home after I fall face first into my linguini ...doesn't that sound romantic? Actually the woman I'm currently dating is off a "pure bred" portuguese background throughout all the generations of their family...and even though there really isn't a skin colour difference, there is a cultural difference and her parents wanted her to meet a nice portuguese man, make lots of babies and live two doors down....they've even gone as far as to offer her a trip to Portugal so she can meet a nice real Portuguese man to settle down with. We've dated for awhile, and known each other inside and outside of dating for seven years, now we are talking of moving in together, and other than her sister -- who is the only other one in her family who dates non-portuguese men, I've never met anyone in her family.

" This is what some old ladies were talking about on the train a couple of days ago. Basically, their whole conversation was trying to prove how bad mixing races in couples was for the safety of Races as a whole. "If they keep mixing races, there'll be none left."

Tres sad! It reminds me of my grandfather, he was a bit of a bigot, the kind of guy who proudly proclaimed he wasn't racist because he treated the "colored" guy at work fairly, yet found it shocking Tiger Woods could marry a white woman. I wonder what offended him more, the asian half of Tiger with a white woman, or the african half? To keep it in perspective though, regular and normal social settings of mixed races is relatively new to societies in terms of human history. Sure a lot of races all over the world have had some contact with each other throughout history, though limited -- such as trade routes, and often in undesirable ways such as war, but its only a recent occurance where a lot of countries are now mixed and people of different races live somewhat side by side and peacefully with one another. Also different tribes on thier own continent have intermingled, though mostly it would be with people who had very similar features, not like today and not with such prevelant physical differences such as skin colour or facial features or with such different social practises. We are in quite an exciting time in human history where many racial, cultural, religious seperations and boundaries are beginning to fall. This is a first for modern man and though sometimes it may not seem like it, I don't think there has ever been another time in history where different races have gotten along so well with one another. Sure there is still a long way to go, but historically I feel we are close to the beginning of the wall coming down which is a pretty amazing thing to be a part of. I dunno, maybe I'm being overly optimistic, what does everyone else think?

"But I suppose I can understand wanting to preserve one's culture, that is a noble thing to do."

Yeah I think that's why some people hold onto the race card so tightly, they're afraid their identity is akin to the colour of their skin and will just get swallowed up if the bloodline of their race is changed. Funny thing is you can't prevent influence and change. You can either be a part of it, help direct it to make it positive and make the transition smoother, or you can fight against it and make life difficult to no avail. Many have tried it but its impossible to stop. Somewhere deep in the Amazon there is a tribesman wearing a pair of Nikes and jerking off to Playboy pictures of Pamela Anderson. Not that this is a good example of the benefits of outside influence, I hardly think shoe wear and pornagraphy is a good measurement of the positivity of influence, but it was just fun enough to say jerking off.

"Studies show that this is often because you can relate to someone who has grown up in a similiar setting as you, but sometimes, race does not change that. "

I also think familiarity has something to do with it. A comfort zone. Much in the same way the majority of people order something off a menu that is familiar, or dress someway that is seen as the norm, etc. Most people are followers, not leaders, even if they don't always believe wholeheartedly in what they are following. So for a lot of people, it is often a matter of widespread exposure to things which allows them to try different things because when something becomes more commonplace, it also becomes "safer".

AQuestion said:

"One thing that really gets me is how, if you're mixed with black and anything else, then people (mostly black people) are all like..."hey, if you black, you black". And then there will be white people (most of whom are, in my experience, young white men) who try to be like "yo, what's up dog?" like it's cool. "

Anybody see the Chappelle show skit about the racial draft? The premise was that every race got to draft a celebrity that was of an undecided background. The black race picked Tiger Woods, the jewish race picked Lenny Kravitz, the asian race picked the Wu Tang Clan, and the white race picked Colin Powell -- to which the black race spokesman (wickedly played as a hustler by Mos Def) argued Powell is not of mixed origins but would let it slide if they took Condelezza Rice (sp?) off their hands and let the black race have O.J. Simpson back....f'ing halarious show....anyways, that comment by AQuestion reminded me of that skit.

But yeah, its odd how that can be such a big deal for people...I think it all boils down to a respect of individuality for everyone and realizing that skin colour is just another shade of being human.

Anyways JK, interesting topic, thanks for posting it. Take care,

Trev

[stilltrucking]

Hanger on around CMU campus fell in heat with a Jewess. Black hair green eyes spitting image of my baby sister. You know vice is nice but incest is best, no seriously I don't remember having any desire for my baby sister, the totem and taboos in my family so strong somehow all that was repressed but then of course she was so much younger than me just a baby when my hormones were moaning thirteen years old. But there must have been something because I fell hard in heat for My Jewess princess. But she was doing a paper on SP as a protofeminist (if i remember she thought sylvia had blown it) well anyway that is when I started reading the bell jar big time, like ten or twenty times kind of like those acid trips that all ran together back in the seventies. No idea how many tmes less than twenty I guess. Well my point is I don't know if you consider being a Jew a religous thing or a racial thing, I think it is racial in that you must be born of a jewish mother to be a jew, otherwise you have to convert, no matter who your father is. Now I am talking orthodoxy of my name sake
which is the only kind of Judaism I was aware of as a kid. Well anyway back in 1972 was the first time I thought about a shiksa as a real woman. Up until that time I thought real women had to be Jewish. I got go to work and I am so fucking lazy, anything to keep from working, I came here to look for that post where hester sings those four songs. though it might inspire me to get off my lazy ass. this a long unedited ramble, hope it don't give you a head ache if you try to read it.

mixing races?

only a racist would even think such thoughts. Stupid just stupid, hateful people, but what are you going to do about it except for write on. Hitler got a lot of his racial theories from the state of Virginia with its eugenics laws.
Some of the most racist people I have met are Jews, which blows my mind. I was a good liberal Jewish atheist back in the sixties with a paternalistic attitude towards my African American brothers, it is a fortunate event in a white man's life when he gets beyond that. I was having a conversation with a black catholic college student when he blew me away intellectualy, not showy he was not trying to prove he was superior to me. He was just being his self. From that day I learned to take people as they come one by one. But sometimes you can be too color blind in certain situations of danger. I worked with some good men in that union after a while we just didn't think about race as we worked together but one day I was giving a teamster bro a ride home into the ghetto. I wish I had been a little more racially conscious that day because coming home I stopped at a stop sign when this dude comes up and starts pounding on my car. I must have though I was LBJ, cause I got out of the car and tried to reason with him. He called me a nigger and hit me upside the head with a two by four, I should have just hauled my almost white ass out of there. I forgot the poll, yes I am too old for dates but I would go anyway.

I wandered all over with this post but somewhere in there I hope I answered your question.. That post of AOpen on flames about a word becoming strange, a familiar word

a word out loud and it all of a sudden sounds odd or as if you've never heard yourself or anyone else say it before

that is kind of what happened with spades, she played the queen of diamonds and I smiled and thought "oh yeah I got a queen that kick her red ass"
say good night go to work jack

[YABYUM]

the scent of a womans beauty is all I need.
why would a man want to limit himself by seeing color as a barrier?
WoW oh WoW, I have had the pleasure of seeing many, many fine different races of woman. both physical and mental. Why would a man go to an all you can eat buffet and just keep filling his plate with white rice? a gigantic waste of time.

[Glorious Amok]

no really, are you offering? heh heh.

i HATE answering "Caucasion" to that question on any form. i don't even know what that means!! if "European" is an option, i always choose that one. i know i'm pale as hell, but it's because my parents are scottish and norwegian!

i'm not all for abolishing the concept of race, but certainly the practice of it. i think it's nice to keep traditions alive, or lore at least. "this is the way your grandaddy's people used to do it"

but yeah, mix 'em up good, i say. what's the point of reproducing a purebreed? they just yap alla time anyway....

[jimboloco]

My brother, well half brother (he got the muscles) and his ex-girlfriend.
(my little photo creativity, he thanked me, said he made it into a postcard and mailed it to her, boo hoo, now he is dating a Nigerian lady named Suzie, go right to the source, that's what they say!)
YO MAMA!

Oh yeah, when they aks me, I say "Anglo" and look at the stupid expression on their faces, honky trash that is.

Everybody else gets it.

One of the things I like about my job working in the hospital over in Tampa is the variety of peoplr i see on a daily basis, from the islands, I find Trinidad to be especially intriguing, man, they got Asian Indians there, mixed with Afro-Carribeans, I know about a yogi who lives down there, on Tobago, he sleeps in a bat cave at night up on the cliffs, and when the bats come home in the morning, he gets up and swims for hours, amazing told to me by
CatManDrew, and so forth. http://www.catmandrew.com/

Kayla, you know I either have got a crush on you or I want you as my god daughter, I am all goosie about you. Mostly of course, want you to be confident and so forth, happy. Ahhh.

ps I offered my lesbian friend Nolita a sperm donation last week if'n she'd let me visit on occasion. Her ancestors are from Lebanon via Belize. I am pure gringo.

[mousey1]

At the risk of sounding vague...

and to quote a famouse cliche....

"Fuck 'em all and let God sort 'em out!"

[jimboloco]

"Fuck 'em all and let God sort 'em out!"

what izzie should of said to the old ladies on the train....