a nother new topic.....

[YABYUM]

forgive me freinds, for i need new topics.
you see, i rarely access this internet. so when i have a computer in front of me that i dont pay for, i tend to want to move things along and insight fine riots of communication.........


"my adversaries....applied the one means that wins the easiest
victory over reason: terror and force."
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. I, Ch. 2

Ah yes.......adolf hitler.........a name never to be given to a human child again. what do you think about this statement?

can terror and force find victory over reason?

[YABYUM]

hmmm.....
was it a quote from adolf that makes all the views not reply?

[Glorious Amok]

i don't even understand the quote. what the hell is he trying to say? break it down for me, will ya?

[YABYUM]

i put the quote out there, so some person who is glorious, could break it down for we.

[hester_prynne]

No, terror and force cannot be victorious over reason.
(It just thinks it can in a bully sort of way....)

Fear can be victorious over reason, thass for sure.
We know this truth to be immediately self-evident!

I happen to think that people who say these kind of things are usually guilty themselves of it. I mean Adolf was certainly guilty of his own contrite words wasn't he?
Early on in his presidency, GW Bush said "I don't want to be a dictator....." I saw him say it on TV, not long after 9/11.
So of course he does! I knew it right then when I saw him say it!
I felt really scared then, I remember it well. When I mentioned it to people, they looked at me like I was crazy. Boy, I'd like for them to look at me now.
Man, I wish they could find that newsfilm.....
I know it exists, I saw it!

alot of deceit goes on this way.
Hell, it's becoming the American way of dealing, on all kinds of levels. They even have classes in public schools that they ask parents to attend on bullying, i.e. what to do about it when it happens to your kid, it's so common.
Teach your children well, eh?

H

[knip]

kind of an empty statement...isn't the nature of all-out warfare terror and force? if he was referring to the allied bombing of germany, well, i dare say the war was over by then, and there's that little bit about the germans doing the same thing to england

but enough history

i think it can, but that doesn't mean it always does

[Glorious Amok]

alright, so if all he's saying is that reason CAN be defeated by terror and force, then i'd have to agree with him. it CAN.

this we've seen in any abuse of power. parents over children, husband over wife, government over little guy... my mother was violent, i thought there was something wrong with ME.

reason is often destroyed by bullies. they just keep punching you until you start to see things their way.

[YABYUM]

i worked in an animal shelter.
i observed dogs in cages.
i cleaned thier shit while observing.

one day, while scooping shit, i saw a pitbull attacked.

she had reason.

terror and force?
those words were her reason.

she killed the fucking terror with force.

and then management killed her.

i quit that same day.


her name was Mercedes.

[jimboloco]

flowers grow up through the cracks in the pavement

this country uses force and terror
guised as reason
rationalised

it is all based upon suffering
not-connecting with suffering
displacement
kick the dog
spank the child
slam the door

ring the bell one more time

[mousey1]

Terror and force are unreasonable.

When it comes to animals it is more instinct. In the case of dogs it is our inbreeding that fucks everything up. We breed this in and that out and then stand back all shocked and agog when certain breeds begin to attack and savage without warning.

Humans are for the most part a disappointment. And I say that with all sadness and regret!

[stilltrucking]

yes dam it yes
keep tossing them out there

do I need to use emoticons
gofor it punk

hmmm.....
was it a quote from adolf that makes all the views not reply?

listen I got a Jewish buddy that runs a pawn shop, or used to, been a long time, last time I was there he had a picture of adolph hitler and the quote "the first thing he did was confiscate the guns"

ok Mousey1 here goes gildna radner again
dogs, no anthropologists studying dog Ethnology? kinship relaitons, with those mammalians there are no totems and taboos, hapsburgh hemophiliacs, or german sheppards with bad backs.

Speaking of hitler I once saw a picture of him standing next to a magnificant pure german german sheppard, a huge dog, and I thought what a masterpiece of the Creator, they can love anybody.

[mousey1]

You make a lovely Gilda still.....now if I only knew what the hell you were on about!!!!

Speaking of hitler I once saw a picture of him standing next to a magnificant pure german german sheppard, a huge dog, and I thought what a masterpiece of the Creator, they can love anybody.

Tis true.....dogs can love anyone!

It's a pity the dog didn't tear heir hitler's throat out!!!! Tho I suppose they'd have killed the poor wise thing! Dog treats in heaven all around tho.....and many congratulatory pats!!!!!

[stilltrucking]

I am talking about yabyum's hitler quote

I happen to think that people who say these kind of things are usually guilty themselves of it. I mean Adolf was certainly guilty of his own contrite words wasn't he?i put the quote out there, so some person who is glorious, could break it down for we.

i don't even understand the quote. what the hell is he trying to say? break it down for me, will ya?

_________________GA

my adversaries....applied the one means that wins the easiest
victory over reason: terror and force."
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. I, Ch. 2

so
who were his advesaries, who was using terror and force, he wrote Mein Kamf in prison, after Munich, when the government put him in jail. We are dealing with one sick fuck here, not sure anyone can make anysense out of him but a lot of people do.

I think it is a whine, pissy little bitched out man, sitting in a jail cell thinking with his ass hole. or something like that, I find it interesting to look ant the picture of the dog, because I can hardly write the word hitler without spitting, I know my grandmother could not, she had to spit, just like Tom Robbins character in Fierce Invalids Home From hot Climates had to spit at the mention of Allen Dulles.
I suppose he was crying in his beer, because he felt he had been done hard by. I suppose my point is that Karl Rove was known for turning his advesaries strength against him. ROve very good at that to I think yabum has been out in the sun too long if he expects to make a whole lot of sense out of anything Hitler said. More interesting is what Herbert Walker Bush meant about new world order. Back in the fifties when the houses of congress were being renovated they put in frescoes of the bundles of sticks and axes, the roman the fasces on the walls. No I am not paranoid

The Romans adopted many Etruscan customs over the years. They used the Etruscan alphabet, which the Etruscans had borrowed from the Greeks. The symbol of the Etruscan king's right to execute his subjects was a bundle of rods and an axe: the fasces (from which Mussolini created the Fascisti in the 20th century). The Romans even adopted the Etruscan toga. The vault and the arch were Etruscan in origin as were gladiatorial contests.
http://www.historyguide.org/ancient/lecture10b.html

Fascism (in Italian, fascismo), capitalized, refers to the right-wing authoritarian political movement which ruled Italy from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini. The name comes from fascia, which may mean "bundle", as in a political or militant group or a nation, but also from the fasces (rods bundled around an axe), which were an ancient Roman symbol of the authority of magistrates. The Italian 'Fascisti' were also known as Black Shirts for their style of uniform incorporating a black shirt (see: political colour).
Definition
The word fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that
§ exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual,
§ uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition,
§ engages in severe economic and social regimentation, and
§ espouses nationalism and sometimes racism or ethnic nationalism.
In an article in the 1932 Enciclopedia Italiana, written by Giovanni Gentile and attributed to Benito Mussolini, fascism is described as a system in which "The State not only is authority which governs and molds individual wills with laws and values of spiritual life, but it is also power which makes its will prevail abroad.... For the Fascist, everything is within the State and... neither individuals or groups are outside the State.... For Fascism, the State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative."
http://fascism.biography.ms/


Adolf Hitler and armed stormtroopers entering the building. Hitler jumped onto a table, fired two shots in the air and told the audience that the Munich Putsch was taking place and the National Revolution had began.
Leaving Hermann Goering and the SA to guard the 3,000 officials, Hitler took Gustav von Kahr, Otto von Lossow, the commander of the Bavarian Army and Hans von Lossow, the commandant of the Bavarian State Police into an adjoining room. Hitler told the men that he was to be the new leader of Germany and offered them posts in his new government. Aware that this would be an act of high treason, the three men were initially reluctant to agree to this offer. Adolf Hitler was furious and threatened to shoot them and then commit suicide: "I have three bullets for you, gentlemen, and one for me!" After this the three men agreed.
Soon afterwards Eric Ludendorff arrived. Ludendorff had been leader of the German Army at the end of the First World War. He had therefore found Hitler's claim that the war had not been lost by the army but by Jews, Socialists, Communists and the German government, attractive, and was a strong supporter of the Nazi Party. Ludendorff agreed to become head of the the German Army in Hitler's government.
While Adolf Hitler had been appointing government ministers, Ernst Roehm, leading a group of stormtroopers, had seized the War Ministry and Rudolf Hess was arranging the arrest of Jews and left-wing political leaders in Bavaria.
Adolf Hitler now planned to march on Berlin and remove the national government. Surprisingly, Hitler had not arranged for the stormtroopers to take control of the radio stations and the telegraph offices. This meant that the national government in Berlin soon heard about Hitler's putsch and gave orders for it to be crushed.
The next day Adolf Hitler, Eric Ludendorff, Hermann Goering and 3,000 armed supporters of the Nazi Party marched through Munich in an attempt to join up with Roehm's forces at the War Ministry. At Odensplatz they found the road blocked by the Munich police. As they refused to stop, the police fired into the ground in front of the marchers. The stormtroopers returned the fire and during the next few minutes 21 people were killed and another hundred were wounded, included Goering.
When the firing started Adolf Hitler threw himself to the ground dislocating his shoulder. Hitler lost his nerve and ran to a nearby car. Although the police were outnumbered, the Nazis followed their leader's example and ran away. Only Eric Ludendorff and his adjutant continued walking towards the police. Later Nazi historians were to claim that the reason Hitler left the scene so quickly was because he had to rush an injured young boy to the local hospital.
After hiding in a friend's house for several days, Adolf Hitler was arrested and put on trial for his role in the Beer Hall Putsch. If found guilty, Hitler faced the death penalty. While in prison Hitler suffered from depression and talked of committing suicide. However, it soon became clear that the Nazi sympathizers in the Bavarian government were going to make sure that Hitler would not be punished severely
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERbeer.htm


So does that make any more sense what I am talking about, have you ever seen any of Hitlers art work, very pretty, just supposed he had been admitted to art school in Vienna? I have met people who love hitler, I worked on the computers at a flea market with all kinds of Hitler memorabilia, the owner thought very highly of the man. Theo owner was also a convicted murderer served fifteen years for shooting his girl friend. Hell of a nice guy, and his new girlfriend who was half his age (or maybe a third0 she barely in her 20's he in his late fifties. What I am talking about is the human heart and how it gets twisted. does that make any sense to you, do you know what I am talking about now, everybody is born an innocent and trusting child, even hitler, I look for some humanity in him, seems like only a few strange people and a dog have found that. "like the love hidden deep in your heart, like the first breath of a baby, like sunshine feeding daisies" How about the Producers, Spring TIme For Hitler, I wonder where Mel got the lyrics, I heard the story once, but forgot, that may have been an actual song somebody wrote. I don't even know why I talk to mice. Just my attempt at iner species communication I suppose

such a fierce mouse

[gypsyjoker]

Don't you get a little tired of the America Nazi Gemany Bush/Hitler analogies, metaphors, qoutes, comparison, Hitler franchise owned by the United States Government. Everytime someone buys a copy of Mein Kamf the money goes into the treasury. I wonder if you can buy a copy in Germany. I am getting sick of the way people use Hitler to make their points. I don't know how much more ironic it is then for your Jewish buddy to have a picture of Hitler in his window. I heard the thing about the guns too, but I think it was only the Jews guns, at least at first. I heard a sound bite about little old jewish ladies living in a golden age community down in florida, they had the tatoos to prove it, they said it is so much worse now then it was then. So enough with hitler, lets start worrying about churchill too, and Woodrow Wilson, and Clemanceau, Llyod George, all those white men. Maybe mousey doesn't get it because it is only a guy thing, I hope that has been the problem. Did I tell you about the time I was laying on that hospitol guerney and the last thing I ever saw with my own two eyes was a Picture of Golda Meir smiling down at me?

[mousey1]

dogs, no anthropologists studying dog Ethnology? kinship relaitons, with those mammalians there are no totems and taboos, hapsburgh hemophiliacs, or german sheppards with bad backs.

I just meant I didn't understand this bit.

But thank-you.