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i'm no hijacker

Posted: May 11th, 2006, 4:13 pm
by firsty
so, to respond to this:
Ok, now I'm intrigued... Smile .

I don't think I've ever met someone who claims total innocence. Is it truly possible to not be enmeshed in the whole global domination-oppression system we have going? As much as I am a legitimate martyr on many fronts, I know I'm someone else's axman.

I figure, if we run off into the woods and live completely self-sustained existences apart from society in isolation, then maybe we can escape being a part of the chain of getting fucked and being in bed with the bad guys and gals.

But if we're connected to the chain enough to be lashed by it, I am not convinced we don't end up flailing around and lashing others. When I'm on the bottom of it all, it only takes a change of perspective to see me on the top.

How do you manage to escape it?
well, everything is relative. but i do believe that i'm doing what i can to not screw anyone over, to not be in bed with someone with something in a way that takes advantage of other people. hopefully i've managed to behave in such a way that makes my outlook sustainable beyond simply changing perspective.

1. have a way of earning a living that harms no one. in the midst of impossible possibilities that our nation and world allows, i do this as much as i can. i work for a company that doesnt employ slave labor and that doesnt take undue advantage of overseas labor (they pay competitive rates overseas). i never take the company's stance on staff as expendable, and i fight first and foremost for my staff, not first and foremost for my superiors.

2. i dont throw away food. this is difficult to maintain when you have children, but we do a pretty good job of it.

3. i am honest with people. this includes you, who seems to feel that by my saying that the hookers and pimps in our capitalist political underword and overlords are hookers and pimps instead of honorable people, i am declaring myself to be innocent. i really dont think i'm innocent. no one is innocent. to say "i'm getting fucked but thats not the same as being in bed with someone" isnt to imply that i'm innocent on every level, but i do declare that i'm as innocent as a taxpaying american citizen can be in this world. i'm more innocent than the people i attacked in my crappy verse (terrorists, bush, cia, oil companies, etc.). and that was the point. but you're extending it beyond that, and since i'm so much better than you (thats the honesty kicking in), i can actually respond to your challenge, such as it is (i didnt, as you claim i did, claim "total innocence," but i'm responding to you anyway, since i'm better than you).

4. i try to treat (rather successfully, i think) the world as i was taught by people to treat it when i used to go on hikes in the woods. "take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but footprints." i teach my children that it's not ok to harm insects (unless they're walking on your food). i make an effort to make my footprints as unique as possible, but as harmless as possible. the worst thing i do is attack people verbally, and only when they deserve it and are in a position to respond. i stand up for what i believe in and i dont compromise my values for things like money and fame (which is contrary to what the groups in my crappy verse do or have done). i've quit jobs that i feel are immoral, i've given up actual money in order to live by my values. i've given up actual friends in order to live honestly. in these and other ways, i make a supreme effort to live within myself.

all we can do is our best, and i can honestly say i've done my best, to be innocent, as innocent as our humanity allows us to be. and part of being within that honest framework is to speak our minds, and it's a fact that the cia and bush and the terrorists and the corporate executives of our world are leaders of an immoral network of secrecy and money laundering designed to fuck right up the ass those who by virtue of chance and birth are less fortunate.

to ignore that fact, to imply that i am as bad as them, or to say that i could be as bad as them were it not for some perch perspective that i happen or simply desire to find myself upon, would be to act complicit in their crimes, which i am not.

non-political writers can go fuck themselves in the ass. to see truth and not speak it is a higher crime than those who in truth engage in crimes of immorality.

does that answer your question?

now stop lashing people and do something productive.

Posted: May 12th, 2006, 3:33 am
by mnaz
"...doing what I can to not screw anyone over...."

Yes. Hard question, and great response-- really, the only viable response.

But this part seems suspect to me: "non-political writers can go fuck themselves in the ass". You may be over the line. I'm not sure, exactly. Shit. Politics.... what a goddamned cancer.

Posted: May 12th, 2006, 9:32 am
by firsty
politics is a cancer because it's overrun with cancerous assholes. all the smart people have left. it's not the idiots fault for being idiots, it's the smart peoples fault for bailing. the idiots are the only ones left.

Posted: May 12th, 2006, 11:49 am
by joel
Sometimes I yell at the first person I see in the morning because he looks so glib it ticks me off; of course, it's myself in the mirror.

I am really sorry if my intrigue was taken as opposition/lashing. I can't control how my words are received, but I can defend the honesty of what I said.

I see a big break between total innocence and relative innocence. I am much more innocent than many others. I have also consciously had to choose between friends and money and success. I'm as innocent as I can manage to be. We seem to be alike that way.

I don't know what picture you have of who I am. I'm not here in judgement or hostility. Intrigue and conversation and growth is all I'm after; thanks for your response.

Re: i'm no hijacker

Posted: May 12th, 2006, 11:54 am
by joel
And to fill in some of the context in which this was presented and to clean up my intention...let me edit:
Ok, now I'm intrigued... Smile .

I don't think I've ever met a person who claims total innocence. Is it truly possible to not be enmeshed in the whole global domination-oppression system we have going? As much as I am a legitimate martyr on many fronts, I know I'm someone else's axman.

I figure, if we run off into the woods and live completely self-sustained existences apart from society in isolation, then maybe we can escape being a part of the chain of "getting fucked" and "being in bed" with the bad guys and gals.

But if we're connected to the chain enough to be lashed by it, I am not convinced we don't end up flailing around and lashing others. When I'm on the bottom of it all, it only takes a change of perspective to see me on the top.

How does one manage to escape it?
I really was going for the universal, philisophical response...no kind of personal attack. ...dude, all my crap poetry is about love....

Posted: May 28th, 2006, 4:08 am
by stilltrucking
Is this a private fight or can anyone get in it?
There is someone else’s misery in every dollar we earn.
Edward Hirsch

Be nice if you put some links in there firsty. Or is this meant to be esoteric?

You too joel.

What does this relate to?
And to fill in some of the context in which this was presented and to clean up my intention...let me edit: