"It’s Always the End of the World as We Know It"

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"It’s Always the End of the World as We Know It"

Post by still.trucking » January 1st, 2010, 6:41 am

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"It’s Always the End of the World as We Know It"

IT seems so distant, 1999. Bill Clinton had survived impeachment, his popularity hardly dented, Sept. 11 was just another date and music fans were enjoying a young singer named Britney Spears.

But there was a particular unease in the air. The so-called Y2K problem, the inability of computers to read dates beyond 1999 threatened to turn Jan. 1, 2000 into a nightmare. The issue had first been noticed by programmers in the 1950s, but had been ignored. As the turn of the century loomed, though, it seemed that humankind faced a litany of horrors.

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Religions from Zoroastrianism to Judaism to Christianity to U.F.O. cults have been built around notions of sin and the world’s end. The Y2K threat resonated with those ideas. Human beings have constructed an enormous, wasteful, unnatural civilization, filled with sin — or, worse in some minds, pollution and environmental waste. Suppose it turned out that a couple of zeros inadvertently left off old computer codes brought crashing down the very civilization computers helped to create. Cosmic justice!

Apocalyptic scenarios are a diversion from real problems — poverty, terrorism, broken financial systems — needing intelligent attention. Even something as down-to-earth as the swine-flu scare has seemed at moments to be less about testing our health care system and its emergency readiness than about the fate of a diseased civilization drowning in its own fluids. We wallow in the idea that one day everything might change in, as St. Paul put it, the “twinkling of an eye” — that a calamity might prove to be the longed-for transformation. But turning practical problems into cosmic cataclysms takes us further away from actual solutions.

This applies, in my view, to the towering seas, storms, droughts and mass extinctions of popular climate catastrophism. Such entertaining visions owe less to scientific climatology than to eschatology, and that familiar sense that modernity and its wasteful comforts are bringing us closer to a biblical day of judgment. As that headline put it for Y2K, predictions of the end of the world are often intertwined with condemnations of human “folly, greed and denial.” Repent and recycle!

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/01/opini ... on.html?hp
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Post by mtmynd » January 1st, 2010, 10:37 am

Good thoughts in that article...

Religions from Zoroastrianism to Judaism to Christianity to U.F.O. cults have been built around notions of sin and the world’s end.

We are all suicidal. Today's suicide bombers are yesterday's kamakazi pilots... the pinnacle of suicidal tendencies within man.

Apocalyptic scenarios are a diversion from real problems — poverty, terrorism, broken financial systems — needing intelligent attention.

Intelligent attention. Whose intelligent enough to provide the needs and what will it cost a suicidal society?

Hu'manity creates problems by seeking ways to correct problems... an on going effort to whip ourselves for being so fucking stupid. So to prove to ourselves we're not really as stupid as it appears, we steal, cheat, lie and deceive ourselves to gain more material crap to hide behind pretending that this will make us look good in the eyes of a God that we are assured will deliver us from all the evils we continue thrusting upon ourselves in a feeble attempt to correct our problems which we know is nobody's problem but to those who love problem solving to prove their intellectual superiority over others from which they can gain a sense of false pride which masks their inability to cope with the problems we all have to deal with which are brought on by ourselves.
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Post by Non Sum » January 1st, 2010, 11:56 am

NY Times quote: "Apocalyptic scenarios are a diversion from real problems —"

NS timely response: While there is some truth in that statement, it also offers a false implication, i.e. there is nothing "real" about major cataclysmic scenarios. Nothing could be further from the historic truth. The world is always full of cries of 'wolf,' and, as with Peter's experience, it relegates wolves to myth. I wonder how many specious prognostications of destructive cataclysm were heard for decades in the city of Pompeii?

It's the same in financial markets (they too are forced by natural forces). True the trend is generally up, or just bouncing around waiting to go up. That was certainly the case for this decade just past. The "buy and hold" investor's wisdom was based on this clear fact. So, why was it that buyers & holders ended the decade with a net loss, not even counting the silent thievery of inflation? Because, quick and sudden like, out jumps a wolf that eats you up. Surprise!!

But, oh you students of history, you should not be 'surprised' at all. Some cries of wolf, such as Al Gore's, should be heeded. Be there ever so many false alarms, and there certainly are many of them, the fire dept should still run like mad to rescue you, or your treed cat, in your inevitable, eventual, burning need.

Don't let Chicken Little, or the NY Times, lull you to sleep my friends. There will be: plagues, famines, natural disasters, world wars and the like, just as sure as there are bad hair days. There will also be signs of their impending arrival, for those with eyes (and the wit) to see them. But, for every Chicken Little there are a thousand times more ostrich with their heads buried deep and secure in the sand. Polar bears are tredding warm Artic waters so not to sink into them, yet apocalyptic scenarios are mere diversions from 'real' problems?

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Post by stilltrucking » January 1st, 2010, 4:20 pm

Yes Non Sum.
But I think it is time to start planning to deal with the consequences of global warming. We can reduce our CO2 emissions now and it will help future generations deal with the the doom machine we have set in motion. But it is not going to help those who will be suffering the effects of global warming in our lifetimes. This thing is not going to stop just because we reduce emissions now. It will take years and years. Maybe hundreds of years I don't know.

There is more insidious things happening than drowning polar bears. The frozen tundra is melting emitting methane which is is twenty times more damaging than CO2. The ocean chemistry is changing. The oceans ability to absorb oxygen is diminishing. There was something called the great dying, I forget when. I will have to Google it. But I think about 250 million years ago. Ninety percent of all life went extinct. Not because of a comet or asteroid but volcanic eruptions they think. The net result was a change in the chemistry of the oceans.



Well at least he did say recycle at the end of the article. After Judith Miller and the way the NY Times failed us in the run up to the Iraq war I don't know why I even read that thing anymore.

I will see what I can find about the great die off. I am quoting from geezer memory.
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Post by stilltrucking » January 1st, 2010, 4:30 pm

Today's Unsettling Comparison to 'The Great Dying'

But while the die-off was uniquely devastating, evidence of a single cataclysmic event, like an asteroid strike, hasn't been found in the geological record. Scientists now suspect that "the mother of all mass extinctions" was of Earth's own making. And the more they learn about it, the more parallels they see to today's world: A bout of greenhouse-gas-induced global warming, much like today's, set off a chain of events that culminated in oxygen-depleted oceans exhaling poison gas.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Global ... 171&page=1
Ten four Cecil I think we brought this on our selves too but there are those that say it is cyclical and has nothing to do with us. I doubt that but I can't give you references. Just a hunch that Al Gore is right

Life will find away . With us or without us. Meanwhile wouldn't it be nice to build a sustainable colony on the moon. I suppose I am being anthropomorphic. I would like to see our species survive one way or another.

I like this line from one of Clay's poems
the dawn doesn't need for me to greet it
The dawn does not need us either.
"Ocean acidification is irreversible on timescales of at least tens of thousands of years, and substantial damage to ocean ecosystems can only be avoided by urgent and rapid reductions in global emissions of CO," explains Mr. Ahmed Djoghlaf, Executive Secretary of the Convention in a press release. "Attention must be given for integration of this critical issue at the global climate change debate in Copenhagen."


Climate change causing irreversible acidification in world's oceans
I wonder why he Obama decided to show up on the last day of the conference in Copenhagen?

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Post by mnaz » January 1st, 2010, 5:49 pm

well, we're into many billions now and competing for scarce resources, let's put it that way. I know it doesn't seem like that at your local oil-powered drive-thru, but consider the source. or something like that.

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Post by stilltrucking » January 1st, 2010, 5:53 pm

"I know. I Know. I KNOW!" to quote Kurt Vonnegut.

He is in deep with the energy companies. And they have to suck every dollar they can out of those coal mines and oil wells.

That could be it. But maybe he is more shrewd a politician than we give him credit for. Wouldn't be sweet if he double crossed them.

"malefactors of great wealth"

But I think he would need a second term to do that. He could be ready teddy to rock and roll if he did not have to be concerned with the next election cycle.

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Post by stilltrucking » January 1st, 2010, 6:00 pm

not sure I understood you now that I think about it. The source of what?

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Post by mnaz » January 1st, 2010, 6:09 pm

No I agree. Obama needs a second term to have any chance. At anything. We have been too entrenched for too long. I have faith in us, but we're dragging our feet. I personally am notorious for it. And we're too busy sometimes.

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Post by stilltrucking » January 1st, 2010, 6:22 pm

trying to take the long view. time you know.

Consider the source of my words.
A big sad hairless old ape, a Jew with a protestant work ethic,

And I am stoned on my ass.
I won't ask you to explain yourself
Sorry
I will read it again when I am sober
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if you drink and drive
during the holidays
don't have an accident
you might spill your drink

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when I am stoned
Still trying to consider the source of that quote. They sure had a pretty picture on the splash page of that website
they say you can't judge a book by its cover
but I just bought one of clay's book because it had a picture of him on the cover by umberto umberto.

I am late
gotta go I will check out all sources later
meanwhile I gotta go I am late

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I still got that half pint of vodka in my fridge
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Post by jackofnightmares » January 1st, 2010, 10:57 pm

I hope these user names are not annoying to you. Something I picked up from The Well "The most influential website you never heard of."


Considering sources. The great dying and the inversions in the oceans the result of a million years of intense violent volcanic eruptions in Siberia. Have we put that much CO2 in the atmosphere in the last three hundred years?

Well I guess that's all I got to say about that.

Let Clay have the last words

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