matt lauer should be allowed to use the word "cunt"

[hester_prynne]

Aw come on now, I don't mean to be a prick, but cunt is one of the few words left that still goes over the edge enough to make it non-mainstream as of yet. But it's getting there. I'd wager that pretty soon it'll be a name for a car or something.

"hey, check out that new cunt rig that volvo is premiering in it's compact line, whoa it's a beaut, it's got a skyroof, 6 cd player, and a year's subscription to sirius, not to mention one of the best crash safety ratings i've seen...."...

or maybe......

"man you know, that little cunt car that volvo's come out with is a tight little spitfire, lots of power too, not to mention it's a real gas saver..."

Smoochies,
and trippy night wishes to all...
H

[Doreen Peri]

LOL!!!

hest ... you're a riot!... I guess that's like driving a vulva?

and cat? yeah OK.. i'm a putz... i was dis-eased! ha~

i LOVE you ladies...

[stilltrucking]

The new 1958 Volvo



Now that is styling.

I may trade in my 1954 caddy with the Dagmar bumper.

[knip]

Because women have historically been denigrated for their sex, and men have not.

uhhhh.....ok

so that's not a he/she thing?

my bad

[firsty]

ann coulter is a cunt.

[mousey1]

I'd like to explore this issue a little more! But I cunt get my head around it...or into it...or...vice versa

well hell this topic is beneath me!

[Doreen Peri]

twat? i cunt hear you. i have an infucktion in my ear.

[abcrystcats]

Knip:

uhhhh.....ok

so that's not a he/she thing?

my bad

Yes it is a he/she thing. I don't like the convenient, gloss-over generalization of: " Society has just made it a worse word."

How do you figure that happened? How/why did society make it a worse word?

Sorry I was so violent, and I didn't make myself very clear, either.

I think we need to point these things out -- the he/she things -- because once we do that then the words lose the power they formerly carried. Just saying, in essence, "This is the way it is" leaves everything intact.

Does that make more sense?

Words don't hurt; it's the power that people give them that make them hurt. This particular word started out with no particular power to hurt. Society did invest it with a power to hurt, as you said, but that is because of the long-standing values assigned to men and women, as I said. It wasn't just an accident or an arbitrary decision.

It doesn't always have to be this way, but it takes continual vigilance and re-examination to rout these things out of our language and our way of thinking. You may think that is extreme, but consider how racism had infected our language, and what had to happen before, e.g., white men stopped calling black men "boy."
Now it seems so obvious that calling a man "boy" is a putdown. Then it wasn't so obvious. It was just habit, routine, what society does. "Why does it always have to be a race thing?" Someone might have complained.

And the answer is that there's a double standard. When we have double standards anywhere in language, as assigned to people, it perpetuates a way of thinking that promotes devaluation.

I won't have it. Cunt is just as good a word as prick, cock or dick. We shouldn't allow it to have this power to offend and upset us as women. When we do, that re-affirms this innate sense of inferiority that has been shoved on us for thousands of years. You may think it's a small thing, but I think it's a very big thing.

Language has power, but only as much power as we choose to give it. When it implies inferiority, as the double standard for "cunt" and "prick" does, then I prefer to point out where and why, because that devests the word of its power to hurt.

Again, sorry I was so savage. Didn't mean to be. Hope this helps.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled (political) programming.

[stilltrucking]

as a writer, i am sensitive to the power of words. so, i enjoy using words that are very powerful. "cunt" is a very powerful word, and i enjoy using it, selectively, precisely because of its power. the discomfort felt by some who hear the word is intentional.

I hear you firsty. But the word that comes to mind that I think best describes her is Grotesque.

This is a very strange thread for me. A couple of months ago someone wrote a poem about pussy. All the girls seemed to like that word. I found it an offensive way to refer to a woman. I am such a hopeless romantic I suppose.

[knip]

cool, cat

so back to my original point

why didn't society choose to make 'bird' a worse word than 'dick' then? (assuming it is...at least in my neighbourhood it is)

i didn't gloss over anything...i asked a reasonable question...if cunt is bad because society made it bad because it referred to a woman's privates, then why is bird better than dick? or cock?

if your rule was repeatable, i would buy it...but it isn't repeatable, so i don't buy it...

[whimsicaldeb]

Reclaiming Cunt

I call it cunt. I’ve reclaimed it, “cunt.” I really like it. “Cunt.” Listen to it. “Cunt.” C C, Ca Ca. Cavern, cackle, clit, cute, come – closed c–closed inside, inside ca – then u then cu – then curvy, inviting sharkskin u – uniform, under, up urge, ugh, ugh, u – then n then cun – snug letters fitting pefertly together – n – nest, now, nexus, nice, nice, always depth, always round in uppercase, cun, cun-n a jagged wicked electrical pulse – n [high-pitched noise] then soft n – warm n – cun, cun then t – then sharp certain tangy t – texture, take, tent, tight, tantalizing, tensing, taste, tendrils, time, tactile, tell me, tell me “Cunt cunt,” say it, tell me “Cunt.”
“Cunt.”

Excerpted from The Vagina Monologues by Eve Ensler

…


Best heard in person. Couldn’t find an mp3 of it … but I did find this:

But "Reclaiming Cunt" might be the hardest piece for some people to handle. According to a The New York Times account, actress Glenn Close, who performed it in the inaugural V-Day event, at first wasn't sure she could even say the word. While "cunt" has become perhaps the ultimate term of insult, Ensler decided to write a defense of it after meeting a woman who loved the word. The piece has a Beat-poetry feel that, while less straightforward than the other monologues, has managed to make "cunt" converts out of many people.
Source: http://www.citypaper.com/arts/story.asp?id=4383

[mousey1]

Mother Angelica is a little dismayed to learn that there are "cunt convents" though! (she's also a little deaf and cunt see too good!)

[stilltrucking]

Why deconstructionism matters is that it is at the headwaters of contemporary feminism and 'queer theory,' among other things..

http://dim.com/~randl/deconstruct.htm

I would say she is a media bimbo, an intellectual whore, a slut pundit. I think her first book was a dating guide to Washington DC.

Can we reclaim those words too?

As for Prick, that pricks my curiosity.

Dick head or Richard head was one of my favorite descriptions for a pecker head. But since Sober Duck wrote that piece about the name Dick I have gone back to schmuck. Can a woman be a schmuck or a putz?

[whimsicaldeb]

Mother Angelica is a little dismayed to learn that there are "cunt convents" though! (she's also a little deaf and cunt see too good!) - mousey1

Poor Dear!

Best then that she be kept from ever looking the word up in Wikipedia, for we wouldn’t want her to accidentally find Cunt: a declaration of independence

[firsty]

here is a good quiz. decide which quotes came from hitler and which quotes came from coulter.

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~jac3he/ ... rquiz.html