24 de marzo de 1976

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24 de marzo de 1976

Post by Arcadia » March 24th, 2008, 1:22 pm

in Jorge Lanata´s new-newspaper-version

www.criticadigital.com.ar/index.php?secc=nota&nid=1156

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Post by jimboloco » March 27th, 2008, 11:02 am

PoliticalTo 32 YEARS OF THE BLOW
March 24, 1976
I did not elect to be born in 1960. I did not elect to have, that 24 of March, 15 years and a half. I did not elect that, in my life, this date never can be a neutral day. Jorge Lanata.
24.03.2008I did not elect that to the four or five years had that to inform me that was prohibited to say “Perón”. Is one of the few memories that remain me of my mother before their illness (of their voice, in truth, of their hand, but not of her complete). We went with mom and someone but by the Avenue Mitre toward the Park Domínico and we pass a commissioner:

&Ndash; is prohibited to say Perón – my mom told to the other person.

I he was listening (the boys always we listen all) and I waited for that the boots of the police were to less than one meter to say, in a whisper:

&Ndash;¡Perón!

And I left running.

I elegy to change me to go to the Center (¡How do you be going to go thus, with that look!) and I elected to write in the magazine of the school and I elected to enter to National Radio to ask work. Went for the radio that tomorrow, in the 17, when the tram stopped in a squad of Avenue of May and Stones. Two loons rose with the rifle in the hand (they were surely small, but I do not remember their faces, only the helmet and the weapon and the green color) and they said, fatherly:

&Ndash; home, we go, everyone home that today itself does not work.
In the collective one there was a murmur and all we descend, obedient.

I walked to Ayacucho and Wound Them and the radio was full of soldiers in the walkways. I slept that night in the Informative one and I believe that also the following night, until the transportation functioned again. In the radio already came functioning an office of reproof that, I believe, Literary Control was called. All the hyphens finished there for its approval. The words “erp” or “montoneros” should be written with lower-case letter in the bulletins. Which it was the sense to respect capital letters or lower-case letters in the radio? Never I knew it. I knew then one of the faces of the dictatorship: kind but sordid with a weapon that aimed at the soul and not to the body.

&Ndash; pardon, pibito, but this theme cannot be ruled – told me the manager of programming.

I smiled, without understanding him. Was a theme of Dull Mercy.

-¿Which is the problem?

&Ndash; you imagine you – told me with a falsely sad air– the word says “pobre”.

Poor stupid, I thought I. That week, a writer tucumano that did the late shift in the Informative one left by surprise to come. The tucumano always walked of blue suit. It did not I see more. I asked and someone told me that to stopped doing it. I renounced the radio and I did not return to the journalism until 1982.

I began to study Right and was in the main hall when Walter Beveraggi Allende, holder of Political Economy, asked if there was there present some Jewish student. Two boys raised timidly their right arm in the seats of the fund.

&Ndash; I am going to ask them that they withdraw – Beveraggi told them supported in their cane– and they change of professorship because here they are not going to approve.

To the following year I lived with sadness, with deep sadness of Martian assumed, the feasts of the World one '78. In the '82 I entered to the OAS and I was in charge of a Cultural Train that traveled through the country. I saw the war by the television, in the bars of Patquía or Tucumán, the war they were a pile of seated parishioners in circle set against Gómez Sources and to the ghost of the Princeling. The activity of the Train obliged us to take contact with the seconds or third lines of the dictatorship in the provinces, to show them the exposition and then to invite to the schools.

&Ndash; to think that this we are doing it for our children – told me the secretary of Military Culture of The Prairie, putting me a hand in the shoulder. It spoke me of the war. That night, without notifying, I abandoned the Train with all its personnel and I went me to Brazil.

The remainder of the history is known. It asked me, in those years, with what face were going to look at those publishers that carried all the late, with exactness, the covers of their newspapers to the Presidency to obtain the approval. What were going to do the large groups that during the dictatorship had grown like never? And the channels? They were going to speak some time all the ones that had quiet? Now all they utilize, without Hesitation, the word “represor”.

It sounds funny happiness without Hesitation by the girls of the newscasts. It is noted them. By dint of mentioning it so much already almost they emptied it of content. For Shakespeare ” the life is a history counted by an idiot, a full history of crash and fury, that nothing signifies”. In Argentina the history is counted by a joker: nobody was more cowardly set against the Military Party that Alfonsín, that judged to the Meetings, and nobody did more by the ethics of the justice and the human rights that Néstor Kirchner, that in other cases he forgot the ethics. To God he should entertain him that we live among paradoxes. The crack continues open and this new official version of the history will not reach to close it. Some time we should ask us what we had to we do with the dictatorship that we adopt; nobody kills thirty thousand people without the tacit or explicit consent of the remainder of the population. We should know why do we create monsters: he does not reach with striking us the chest and to throw them the fault of all. Nobody is going to return us those years; the best than we can do with them he is to throw them a little light to see what do there is behind.
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Post by jimboloco » March 27th, 2008, 11:04 am

nobody does massacres wihout the larger consent of the populace, he says
but that is not true
that there is a larger consent to folly is true, but not everyone consents

is there a danger that Argentina will now go through another cycle into military-police state fear?
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Post by Arcadia » March 27th, 2008, 1:11 pm

Lanata´s sound mostly now like an indignada lady of barrio norte in buenos aires... time changes people, I guess. But his intention is good, promote a critical attitude in people: sure he´ll do that with some of his notes.
I like some of the journalists in his new newspaper, though.

Here´s an article wich one I agree in its vision of the conflict:

El juego de los errores

http://www.criticadigital.com.ar/impres ... a&nid=1671

Exceptuating the small-productors from the new retentions to the exportations this difficult situation would be avoided (at least scrolled like it is now). A new cathegory was somehow installed by the government not doing so "rural productors": it´s sad to see the leaders of the Rural Society (golpistas, extreme-right wing) side by side now with the leaders of Federación Agraria...

Now the "comedy" continues.... there will be a Cristina´s & friends acto in BA...

www.criticadigital.com.ar/index.php?secc=nota&nid=1311

I also agree with MAS declarations about the conflict in indymedia even though I´m not troskist. They highlight also the fact that the government has been pro-corporations in most of their decisions in relation with production during K government and also now... and now... :?:


bush friends!... the real poster in the streets was the in-famous great photo of Bush made by little other photos of the soldiers who died in Irak.. there was a rock-blues concert against the right wing meeting here in the flag memorial yesterday afternoon organized by an FM Radio (FM TL) with 20.000 young people. I heard in FM Universidad in Del Frade´s programa last night that it was televised by Telesur.

connection between the right wing meeting and the rural protest....? I don´t know, maybe sincronicity, maybe they also plan, I don´t want to be paranoic (as Charly said....!) :) :shock: :lol:

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Post by Arcadia » March 27th, 2008, 1:34 pm

is there a danger that Argentina will now go through another cycle into military-police state fear?

I see our society each time more polarizada. I´m worried about it. But as I know the Fuerzas Armadas are now weaker so a military-police state fear in the seventies´s way doesn´t sound at all possible (well, the Fuerzas Armadas were weak also when they wanted Malvinas back in 1982...). Also the world context is somehow different...mmm... more or less. What it´s always possible is an economic-politic crisis and social disaster based in fear, greed, corruption and incompetence. Let´s hope & work for other possibilities!!!!!!! :idea:

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Post by jimboloco » March 30th, 2008, 2:46 pm

Hopefully the polarization is part of the process of changing. Fortunately we are polarized from the right and we will have that 51% someday to acheive political power.

I am sure there are elements within the USofA that would not mind a return to police state in Latin America if it plays into the hands of the neo-cons, however I believe that the progressives are growing.
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Post by e_dog » March 30th, 2008, 8:00 pm

jimbolo Co.,

you're translation sucks. were'd you go to schul, electronix teck?
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Post by stilltrucking » March 30th, 2008, 8:25 pm

you're translation sucks.

Well then, why don't you take a stab at translating it professor?

I mean instead of bitching about jimbo's translation, "Why don't you do something to help me." As Hardy would say to Laurel

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Post by e_dog » March 30th, 2008, 9:05 pm

its a joke.

it is obviously a comp. progamme.





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Post by stilltrucking » March 30th, 2008, 9:53 pm

” the life is a history counted by an idiot, a full history of crash and fury, that nothing signifies”.
I liked that bit

and this
In Argentina the history is counted by a joker: nobody was more cowardly set against the Military Party that Alfonsín, that judged to the Meetings, and nobody did more by the ethics of the justice and the human rights that Néstor Kirchner, that in other cases he forgot the ethics. To God he should entertain him that we live among paradoxes. The crack continues open and this new official version of the history will not reach to close it. Some time we should ask us what we had to we do with the dictatorship that we adopt; nobody kills thirty thousand people without the tacit or explicit consent of the remainder of the population. We should know why do we create monsters: he does not reach with striking us the chest and to throw them the fault of all.
Gives the gist of the article pretty nicely I think even if the translation is a bit mangled.

I guess I was joking too, thus the reference to Laurel and Hardy

Translation from Babel Fish I suppose. Interesting concept from a novel by Douglas Adams Very useful website that proves the non existence of god.

Now it is such a bizarrely improbably coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful [the Babel fish] could have evolved by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic."
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Sorry for the irrelevant ramble Arcadia
It is good to read these posts, it takes my mind off our troubles here.

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Post by Arcadia » March 31st, 2008, 4:02 pm

hey...!!!!! don´t fight kids!!!!!!!! :lol: :shock:

s-t: I ramble-d the whole last week, don´t worry!!!!!! :wink: but I got tired near the weekend so I only followed the news in tangential way. For more fun see the other thread "rural productor", etc, etc...

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Post by e_dog » March 31st, 2008, 5:26 pm

To God he should entertain him that we live among paradoxes. The crack continues open and this new official version of the history will not reach to close it.
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