what would Bajtin think about it?

[jimboloco]

i am giving up pot for lent
ask elliot if this is ok!

cheese must cost a lot

mercy i gotta get outside
last day off
mucho trabajo

[stilltrucking]

Who is Bajtin?

[jimboloco]

nada worse than bad gin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bakhtin
Mijaíl Bajtín
De Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

The repression and misplacement of his manuscripts was something that would plague Bakhtin throughout his career. In 1929, Problems of Dostoevsky’s Art, Bakhtin’s first major work, was published. It is here that Bakhtin introduces the concept of dialogism. However, just as this revolutionary book was introduced, Bakhtin was accused of participating in the Russian Orthodox Church's underground movement. The truthfulness of this charge is not known, even today. Consequently, during one of the many purges of artists and intellectuals that Stalin conducted during the early years of his rule, Bakhtin was sentenced to exile in Siberia but appealed on the grounds that, in his weakened state, it would kill him. Instead, he was sentenced to six years of 'internal exile' in Kazakhstan.

Bakhtin spent these six years working as a book keeper in the town of Kustanaj, during which time Bakhtin wrote several important essays, including “Discourse in the Novel”. In 1936, he taught courses at the Mordovian Pedagogical Institute in Saransk. An obscure figure in a provincial college, he dropped out of view and taught only occasionally. In 1937, Bakhtin moved to Kimry, a town located a couple of hundred kilometers from Moscow. Here, Bakhtin completed work on a book concerning the eighteenth-century German novel which was subsequently accepted by the Sovetskij Pisatel’ Publishing House. However, the only copy of the manuscript disappeared during the upheaval caused by the German invasion.

After the amputation of his leg in 1938, Bakhtin’s health improved and he became more prolific. In 1940, and until the end of World War II, Bakhtin lived in Moscow, where he submitted a dissertation on Rabelais to the Gorky Institute of World Literature to obtain a postgraduate title;[8] a dissertation that could not be defended until the war ended. In 1946 and 1949, the defense of this dissertation divided the scholars of Moscow into two groups: those official opponents guiding the defense, who accepted the original and unorthodox manuscript, and those other professors who were against the manuscript’s acceptance. The book's earthy, anarchic topic was the cause of many arguments that ceased only when the government intervened. Ultimately, Bakhtin was denied a doctorate and granted a lesser degree by the State

so what was all the fuss?

[stilltrucking]

Thanks
now I know who
but I still don't understand what he has to do with the floats in the carnival.

[jimboloco]

hey Argentina!
que paso con esto Mijaíl Bajtín
and the fiesta!

[e_dog]

what youse a bunch of commies?



Viva Farc!

[stilltrucking]

Oh well maybe in another lifetime I will understand what this thread was about.

[Arcadia]

jimbo: what fiesta?. Ask Hemigway!!! good luck with your trabajo, friend!!!!!

this is a beautiful song about fiestas (Joan Manuel Serrat, Fiesta)

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s-t: don´t shrink your brain!!! . I only read Bajtin´s texts about géneros literarios and the chapter IV of "Dostoievsky´s poetic". And I invoqued him only to triangulate my monólogo!!!! . Some parts of this chapter are a bit criptic for me: he talks about carnival not as a representation of something. He also talks about "the world upside down of carnival". In that specific point I couldn´t see at all the function of a pile of bodies from the holocaust. That´s why the question. The rest is only carnival´s noise.

e-dog: I´m not pro-farc but I also don´t like Uribe. I hope someday we invent here more inclusive options.

[jimboloco]

does that include me?
me gusta musica de festival

argentina is gonna leave the usa way behind
we will be borrowing money from you before too long!

who am i spozed to invoke to triangulate my monologo?

First, is the concept of the unfinalizable self: individual people cannot be finalized, completely understood, known, or labeled. Though it is possible to understand people and to treat them as if they are completely known, Bakhtin’s conception of unfinalizability respects the possibility that a person can change, and that a person is never fully revealed or fully known in the world.

he, bakhtin, bajtin, got this from fydor, i dig it.

also, in reference to canival, our amiga is taking us exploring

When, in subsequent years, Problems of Dostoyevsky’s Art was to be translated into English and published in the West, Bakhtin added a chapter on the concept of carnival and the book was published with the slightly different title, Problems of Dostoyevsky’s Poetics. According to Bakhtin, carnival is the concept in which distinct individual voices are heard, flourish, and interact together. The carnival creates the "threshold" situations where regular conventions are broken or reversed, and genuine dialogue becomes possible. The carnival was Bakhtin's way of describing Dostoevsky's polyphonic style: each individual character is strongly defined, and at the same time the reader witnesses the critical influence of each character upon the other. That is, the voices of others are heard by each individual, and each inescapably shapes the character of the other.

[jimboloco]

concerning the original holocaust float, Bajtin might see the whole event, the process of invention, interaction within the larger arena, as an ongoing process.

alternative anti-establishment veterans' groups are unwelcome in "patriotic" parades

i feel like both Tiles and Willingham are unfinished unfinalized and certainly not completely understooood

por ejemplo, Arcadia, como se llama en Rosario? and if we knew your real name, and you posted your auto-biography, would you then be finalized?

i don think so
so vamanos a la futura

[Arcadia]

concerning the original holocaust float, Bajtin might see the whole event, the process of invention, interaction within the larger arena, as an ongoing process.

it´s probable!! it sounds dialectic!!!

alternative anti-establishment veterans' groups are unwelcome in "patriotic" parades

you also have carrozas??!

i feel like both Tiles and Willingham are unfinished unfinalized and certainly not completely understooood

yes, it´s a dynamic concept!!

por ejemplo, Arcadia, como se llama en Rosario? and if we knew your real name, and you posted your auto-biography, would you then be finalized?

hey, don´t you know already my "real name"? last week I was wandering in the net about the meaning of the nickname I was called only by my mother when I was a kid and so on. It was really funny & surprising!!!!!
yes, even our autobiography is fictional in the deep sense of the word, of course!!

la futura? jaja!!!!!!!

[Arcadia]

does that include me?

well, you decide!!!!!!


me gusta musica de festival

good!! is one of my favourite´s Serrat songs!!

argentina is gonna leave the usa way behind
we will be borrowing money from you before too long!

we are still a very dollar-based economy. But who knows?. Maybe the trueque is the future

who am i spozed to invoke to triangulate my monologo?

no idea!!!

[jimboloco]

No, yo no sé su nombre verdadero


It's OK
hermana amiga

FARC out ,dude

you a real pun ditto man
no say nada
el burro savvy mas kay yo

[e_dog]

FARC out,

dude!

[Arcadia]

guessing what Dylan will sang...!

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/suple ... 03-02.html

our president opened the Senado annual session yesterday, it was ok except some words "rich people became rich because their intellingence and imagination not because they stole to others" well.... what?.. how do you explain the big corporations that we have here? strange words, really, and at first sound out of context... and she didn´t talk about actual inflation, it seems it isn´t happening for her.......mmm....

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-02.html