THE PENTAGON TELLS THE TRUTH ?? HOW SHOCKING!

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Post by hester_prynne » December 7th, 2004, 9:36 pm

Dave! I love that flag! I'm going to save it and use it as my screen saver.
I just love it. It's exactly what I had in mind.
If you were somewhere where I could throw my arms around you and give you a big smackarooni on the cheek in thanks, I would!
Really!
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Post by jimboloco » December 7th, 2004, 10:52 pm

"To suffer woes which Hope thinks infinite,
to forgive wrongs darker than deepest night,
to love, to bear, til Hope
creates from its own wreck the thing it contemplates."


I was down and out in Houston, 1977-78, the year I voted for Barbara Jordan for congress, I was still going down, I went to the Houston Art Leage, the School of Fine AArts after working oil rigs then nights in a factory, drinking to excess....I found the book by H.Read based upon the the title Art and Alienation and I took it, made it my own, the quote from Percy Shelly. I guess you could say it was a crime of passion, and it sustained me and is on my bookshelf today. I used those lines to introduce a speech I gave at the 1 year anniversary of 9-11 downtown St. Pete, printed in the Vietnam Vets against the War "Veteran" with whom I've had a bit of a falling out due to a nasty review they did of the Kerouak biographer Gerald Nicosia's book Home to War a history of the Viet Vets movement....but anyhow all that is so much water under the bridge....the poem is a valient one and I can not find the entire poem from which it comes.
We are stirred by words of hope.
I recently got a letter printed by Pinkola Estes very uplifting. She is a healer of course and states, "Show yourself" as the way.
.http://www.mavenproductions.com/estes.htmlletter to a young activist during troubled times....

It starts out...."Mis estimados:
Do not lose heart. We were made for these times."please read and breathe deeply with the knowledge that you are meant for these times.[/url]
I thought Knip said that Bush was the lesser of two evils in the final judgement that he had to make, but if that is not a de-facto support of Bush then i must not understand what de-facto means and will have to check it out eventually. Hope you are well up north.

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Post by hester_prynne » December 7th, 2004, 11:17 pm

Jimbo
I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the maven link. I read the letter, and it grounded me while I was reading it. I saved the site to favorites and am going back to read some more, but I wanted to let you know how I so appreciate this link...it's one of the best I've seen...right up there with poet's eye.....
and the timing, well, it's perfect.
You just don't know what a good deed you've done for me, I can't express it.
Thank you....for being here, and being aware.
sighs of release and regathering feel great.
wow
much obliged,
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Post by jimboloco » December 8th, 2004, 6:47 am

Well, I am up now going off to my oncology nurses job. I have been feeling shakey myself lately and am reminded of the need to take care/ it is important.....when I let animosity and anger surpass the basic kindness that I want to live by,then I lose my way. Thanks for your warm reply....I just had to check in this morning. I also am surprised by the insight she gives and how well it works. Gracias Pinkola!
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Post by judih » December 8th, 2004, 8:42 am

healer heal thyself
teacher teach thyself
poet her poet thyself


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Post by jimboloco » December 9th, 2004, 3:15 pm

From assignment for you....same website as above Maven prod....

"Anything you do from the soulful self will help lighten the burdens of the world. Anything. You have no idea what the smallest word, the tiniest generosity can cause to be set in motion. Be outrageous in forgiving. Be dramatic in reconciling. Mistakes? Back up and make them as right as you can, then move on. Be off the charts in kindness. In whatever you are called to, strive to be devoted to it in all aspects large and small. Fall short? Try again. Mastery is made in increments, not in leaps. Be brave, be fierce, be visionary. Mend the parts of the world that are "within your reach." To strive to live this way is the most dramatic gift you can ever give to the world.

Consider yourselves assigned.

No lack of love,
tu abuelita,
Clarissa Pinkola Estés, Ph.D.

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Post by jimboloco » December 9th, 2004, 11:22 pm

Please forward....It's a good place to network, if'n you don't mind listening to a fundamentalist Christian sermon every day.
Homeless Iraq vets showing up at shelters

Ward Reilly <wardpeace@hotmail.com> wrote:
Washington, DC, Dec. 7 (UPI) -- U.S. veterans from the war in Iraq are
beginning to show up at homeless shelters around the country, and advocates
fear they are the leading edge of a new generation of homeless vets not seen
since the Vietnam era.

"When we already have people from Iraq on the streets, my God," said Linda
Boone, executive director of the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans.
"I have talked to enough (shelters) to know we are getting them. It is
happening and this nation is not prepared for that."

"I drove off in my truck. I packed my stuff. I lived out of my truck for a
while," Seabees Petty Officer Luis Arellano, 34, said in a telephone
interview from a homeless shelter near March Air Force Base in California
run by U.S.VETS, the largest organization in the country dedicated to
helping homeless veterans.

Arellano said he lived out of his truck on and off for three months after
returning from Iraq in September 2003. "One day you have a home and the next
day you are on the streets," he said.

In Iraq, shrapnel nearly severed his left thumb. He still has trouble moving
it and shrapnel "still comes out once in a while," Arellano said. He is left
handed.

Arellano said he felt pushed out of the military too quickly after getting
back from Iraq without medical attention he needed for his hand -- and as he
would later learn, his mind.

"It was more of a rush. They put us in a warehouse for a while. They treated
us like cattle," Arellano said about how the military treated him on his
return to the United States.

"It is all about numbers. Instead of getting quality care, they were trying
to get everybody demobilized during a certain time frame. If you had a
problem, they said, 'Let the (Department of Veterans Affairs) take care of
it.'"

The Pentagon has acknowledged some early problems and delays in treating
soldiers returning from Iraq but says the situation has been fixed.

A gunner's mate for 16 years, Arellano said he adjusted after serving in the
first Gulf War. But after returning from Iraq, depression drove him to leave
his job at the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. He got
divorced.

He said that after being quickly pushed out of the military, he could not
get help from the VA because of long delays.

"I felt, as well as others (that the military said) 'We can't take care of
you on active duty.' We had to sign an agreement that we would follow up
with the VA," said Arellano.

"When we got there, the VA was totally full. They said, 'We'll call you.'
But I developed depression."

He left his job and wandered for three months, sometimes living in his
truck.

Nearly 300,000 veterans are homeless on any given night, and almost half
served during the Vietnam era, according to the Homeless Veterans coalition,
a consortium of community-based homeless-veteran service providers. While
some experts have questioned the degree to which mental trauma from combat
causes homelessness, a large number of veterans live with the long-term
effects of post-traumatic stress disorder and substance abuse, according to
the coalition.

Some homeless-veteran advocates fear that similar combat experiences in
Vietnam and Iraq mean that these first few homeless veterans from Iraq are
the crest of a wave.

"This is what happened with the Vietnam vets. I went to Vietnam," said John
Keaveney, chief operating officer of New Directions, a shelter and
drug-and-alcohol treatment program for veterans in Los Angeles. That city
has an estimated 27,000 homeless veterans, the largest such population in
the nation. "It is like watching history being repeated," Keaveney said.

Data from the Department of Veterans Affairs shows that as of last July,
nearly 28,000 veterans from Iraq sought health care from the VA. One out of
every five was diagnosed with a mental disorder, according to the VA. An
Army study in the New England Journal of Medicine in July showed that 17
percent of service members returning from Iraq met screening criteria for
major depression, generalized anxiety disorder or PTSD.

Asked whether he might have PTSD, Arrellano, the Seabees petty officer who
lived out of his truck, said: "I think I do, because I get nightmares. I
still remember one of the guys who was killed." He said he gets $100 a month
from the government for the wound to his hand.

Lance Cpl. James Claybon Brown Jr., 23, is staying at a shelter run by
U.S.VETS in Los Angeles. He fought in Iraq for 6 months with Alpha Company,
1st Battalion, 2nd Marines and later in Afghanistan with another unit. He
said the fighting in Iraq was sometimes intense.

"We were pretty much all over the place," Brown said. "It was really heavy
gunfire, supported by mortar and tanks, the whole nine (yards)."

Brown acknowledged the mental stress of war, particularly after Marines
inadvertently killed civilians at road blocks. He thinks his belief in God
helped him come home with a sound mind.

"We had a few situations where, I guess, people were trying to get out of
the country. They would come right at us and they would not stop," Brown
said. "We had to open fire on them. It was really tough. A lot of soldiers,
like me, had trouble with that."

"That was the hardest part," Brown said. "Not only were there men, but there
were women and children -- really little children. There would be babies
with arms blown off. It was something hard to live with."

Brown said he got an honorable discharge with a good conduct medal from the
Marines in July and went home to Dayton, Ohio. But he soon drifted west to
California "pretty much to start over," he said.

Brown said his experience with the VA was positive, but he has struggled to
find work and is staying with U.S.VETS to save money. He said he might go
back to school.

Advocates said seeing homeless veterans from Iraq should cause alarm. Around
one-fourth of all homeless Americans are veterans, and more than 75 percent
of them have some sort of mental or substance abuse problem, often PTSD,
according to the Homeless Veterans coalition.

More troubling, experts said, is that mental problems are emerging as a
major casualty cluster, particularly from the war in Iraq where the enemy is
basically everywhere and blends in with the civilian population, and death
can come from any direction at any time.

Interviews and visits to homeless shelters around the Unites States show the
number of homeless veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan so far is limited. Of
the last 7,500 homeless veterans served by the VA, 50 had served in Iraq.
Keaveney, from New Directions in West Los Angeles, said he is treating two
homeless veterans from the Army's elite Ranger battalion at his location.
U.S.VETS, the largest organization in the country dedicated to helping
homeless veterans, found nine veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan in a quick
survey of nine shelters. Others, like the Maryland Center for Veterans
Education and Training in Baltimore, said they do not currently have any
veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan in their 170 beds set aside for emergency
or transitional housing.

Peter Dougherty, director of Homeless Veterans Programs at the VA, said
services for veterans at risk of becoming homeless have improved
exponentially since the Vietnam era. Over the past 30 years, the VA has
expanded from 170 hospitals, adding 850 clinics and 206 veteran centers with
an increasing emphasis on mental health. The VA also supports around 300
homeless veteran centers like the ones run by U.S.VETS, a partially
non-profit organization.

"You probably have close to 10 times the access points for service than you
did 30 years ago," Dougherty said. "We may be catching a lot of these folks
who are coming back with mental illness or substance abuse" before they
become homeless in the first place. Dougherty said the VA serves around
100,000 homeless veterans each year.

But Boone's group says that nearly 500,000 veterans are homeless at some
point in any given year, so the VA is only serving 20 percent of them.

Roslyn Hannibal-Booker, director of development at the Maryland veterans
center in Baltimore, said her organization has begun to get inquiries from
veterans from Iraq and their worried families. "We are preparing for Iraq,"
Hannibal-Booker said.



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Post by stilltrucking » December 10th, 2004, 12:05 am

I had a rant here but what the fuck is the use. I am going to join Jews for Jesus and learn to sing the Israeli national anthem.

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fundamentalist Christian sermon every day. 
James Hagee's five thousand seat Cornerstone church had a Honor Israel night, this is the dude of the mighty smighty god, the dude that preaches "by the dawn's early light you could see thousands of dead enemies"

the buy a Jew a ticket to israel night, the Israeli consul came from Houston but the local rabbis did not attend. I am so proud of them.

And tonight our dear leader lights a candle on the menorah, I wonder if he will be wearing a beanie"

Chankaku to me was sitting around a wood stove in the dark and watching my grandfather light another candle, we were not celebrating any military victory of the Jews

the name Holy Land makes me want to puke, what is so fucking holy about it. what makes it more holy then South Dakota was to the Sioux, holy ground this whole fucking planet is our holy land,

dam I am ranting

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Post by judih » December 10th, 2004, 12:19 am

it's a tough thing - this life
what to do
where to live
with whom to align
from whom to hide

would i rather live in a shack with no reason to beg from mister government man?
or have a 20 hour a day job and drive a taxed automobile and live in a mortgaged place and have my soul on the federal databank?

hard question

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Post by stilltrucking » December 10th, 2004, 8:48 am

Our problem in America is not Israel, but the fundamentalist Chiristians who want the mighty smighty god on their side. Reminds me of the Nazi's in Crusaders of The Lost Arc.

The modern state of Israel is a miracle, I remember the St Louis

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Post by knip » December 10th, 2004, 2:05 pm

that isn't america's problem

the fact that people think the fundamentalist christians are the problem is telling in itself

there is room for all of us in this world, although sometimes i wonder why i have to say that

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Post by stilltrucking » December 10th, 2004, 2:18 pm

ok not a problem

how about we blame on the Russians?

Oh I forgot the cold war is over, Iraq is our peace dividend

Ok we don't have godless communism to fear anymore

In the cosmic scheeme of things there are no problems

in the short run something seems to be fundamentaly wrong here.

there may be room for everybody in your world and my world

but James Hagee, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and a thousand others who you have never heard of have no room for us in their world. I don't know what TV stations you get up there in the great white north, but if you ever tune into God TV Inc down here in San Antone you might think differently.

Nietzsche wrote a pretty good history of the future.
I wonder if bush celebrates any other religious holidays besides the Judeo-Christian ones, maybe he out to face Mecca once a day, or the Buddha.

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Post by jimboloco » December 10th, 2004, 5:12 pm

I am feeling Anger and frustration and boredom and
Fundamentalist Xtians are the problem.
What is the negative distortion here?
(Fundamentalist Xtians should stop being fundamentalist Xtians)
How can I reframe it?
Fundamentalist Xtians are gonna stay around on the scene, man, but my world is here, too, man. This is more consistant with reality.
Somebody is out there blaming all the time. In here, what do we lack?
In the cosmic scheeme of things there are no problems

in the short run something seems to be fundamentaly wrong here.

there may be room for everybody in your world and my world
but hey they don't want me around? Is this really true?
My guess is that ther is a lot more "live and let live" out and about than we give credit for.

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Post by stilltrucking » December 12th, 2004, 10:09 am

I never saw a TV until I was 12
TV won it for our dear leader
back in the fifties there was an advertisement for a shaving cream
they covered a sheet of sand paper with the shaving cream
then they showed a safety razor shaving the sand paper clean.
years later it turns out that they had sprinkled sand on a sheet of plan paper the hand is quicker than the eye I suppose

democrats raised more money than the republicans
the first time in history
but the Swift Boat adds
proved something about how this world wide web works
that spent a little money to get those adds in one small tv market for not much money and the networks obligingly and ran with it.

I listen to another train go by
like temple bells in the night
how many tank cars in it
chlorine, ammonia bromine
the top cop in London in merry old England
said another attack is inevitable

Knip once said that american intelligence is the worse among the major powers, and I know that is true

green orange yellow pick your stupidity
TV has turned the world into a dog and pony show

a strange war we are in
in the forties there was rationing
trucks came and got all the aluminum pots and pans
we were even supposed to save cooking grease not sure why

now we have tax cuts and SUV's

oh lordy am i ranting again

courage and do what I can
I have more faith in ukraine democracy than I do in my own
the 2000 election would not have gone down so well over there.

keeping the faith
that all will be well
in the long run

meanwhile I will get by
with a little help from friends

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The Wailing Wall

Post by stilltrucking » December 12th, 2004, 2:46 pm

wailing wall
the chatroom with godwhen yer gettin down in
remorse an penitance an
greif an lament
so i thinks to meself
it's portable too.
the wall is portable there is a scale model that makes a tour
in grief and lament I would do my wailing at that wall in Washington DC
Knip reminds of those people who look at computer screens and tell you everything is all right,
you sit there in the dark and try to tell them you got no electricity, but they assure you everything is looking good on their computer screen.
Oh yes the war was justified, that is why we did it half cocked half ass, it was all suppose to be tv miniseries
but unfortunately it went into reruns

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