President Obama

[Arcadia]

interesting post jimbo!!!, I didn´t undestand at all what you said but it sounds rational somehow and I trust in your criteria in relation with northern hemisphere military things...

so ... he said "eliminate" in english? ... yeah sometimes the words and language structure we know are not enough... or are more than enough , let´s see what he & his people does!!!! From here that note it sounded more like a bit too much "tomar el toro por las astas" thing, something like Iran is an issue (specially maybe for the oppossition), we are still in war, well... let´s talk about it first and straight. No idea, I don´t talk english... and sure he´ll keep talking...

maybe to choose Hillary as vice-president in elections moments is a good bussiness option, but if I were him I wouldn´t do that...

[e_dog]

This Just In:

Obama is a woman. He has tits.
There will, After all, be a Woman president.

OBAMA, he's a dame.

[gypsyjoker]

I hope he is cause he can't win without Hillary's support.
It was an ugly primary, and the November election is going to be very ugly. Hugely ugly. I am thinking about going into a diabetic coma until December.

There were hardly any racist comments about him, how is sHe going to deal with the sexism.

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[hester_prynne]

It's a tough call.
Hilary, (as one 96 year old woman I was escorting about on errands told me) "has not shown good sportsmanship in this campaign, rather a smug entitlement, that was often seen amongst the elite during the depression..."

Hilary Clinton is a sore loser, it was obvious today in her most arrogant concession and endorsement of Obama. I found her extremely oppressive and so of course, ignorant and small to boot.

I for one, used to think that a partnership with Obama, Hilary as VP might just be the thing. Now, it appears it will be required, for him to win, and because of that, we all still lose don't we?

I would rather at this point see Dodd, or Biden as his running mate, and I would love to see Hilary ran out of town in disgrace, I think she needs that lesson.

If we lose this election, (dems) it will be totally due to Hilary Clinton's conduct.
Period.

H

[Doreen Peri]

Just got this email from Barack. Gotta love a new future president who signs his emails to me with his first name.

Friend --

Hillary Clinton announced her support for our campaign today.

Senator Clinton made history over the past 16 months -- not just because she has broken barriers, but because she has inspired millions of Americans with her strength, her courage, and her commitment to causes like universal health care that make a difference in the lives of hardworking Americans.

Our party and our country are stronger because of the work she has done throughout her life, and I'm a better candidate for having had the privilege of competing with her.

Senator Clinton will be invaluable to our efforts to win in November, and I look forward to campaigning alongside her to bring this country the change it so desperately needs.

Hillary and her supporters are joining us at an urgent moment.

It's going to require a new level of commitment from every single one of us to build a national campaign in the general election.

And we're going win this election the right way -- by growing our grassroots network of ordinary people giving only what they can afford.

Will you help by making your first donation today?

If you give right now, a previous donor has agreed to match your gift, doubling its impact. Help us reach our goal of 20,000 new donors by making a matching donation today:

https://donate.barackobama.com/match

It's time for all of us to come together to take on John McCain in the general election. John McCain offers another four years of George Bush's policies, which our country simply cannot afford.

To win, we must continue building an unprecedented organization in all 50 states. And that will only happen if we all work together, side-by-side.

Thank you for joining this movement and supporting a new kind of politics.

Together we can do more than just win an election. Together we can change this country, and we can change the world.

And we are honored to have Hillary Clinton at our side as we do it.

Barack

[gypsyjoker]

Cecil asked

gypsy J : "Eliminate seems like a poor word choice."

What word would you have preferred Obama use ?

I would preferr that he stop trying to sound like George W Bush.

Do you believe in the Holy Land Cecil? Do you think we should do everything we can to bless Israel so we can get that mighty smitey Hebrew god on our side. Why is the Jewish vote so important, or is Barak pandering to the christian zionists? We have so mucked up the balance of power in the middle east I don't what where it is going. I suppose it is going just the way the end timers want it to go. Armageddo or bust.

I wonder what church Barak is going to now?

An Israeli Journalist's Take on Christian Zionism
by Terry Gross

Listen Now [10 min 26 sec] add to playlist

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=90509127

I saw this guy Trita Parsi on TV today here is a link http://www.tritaparsi.com/
Check out the CNN video please. I would like to know what you think.

He made some interesting comments. I will probably never get to read his book. But I would like to.

We don't know nothing Cecil, all we getting is sound bytes.

Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran, and the United States (Hardcover)

Product Description

In this era of superheated rhetoric and vitriolic exchanges between the leaders of Iran and Israel, the threat of nuclear violence looms. But the real roots of the enmity between the two nations mystify Washington policymakers, and no promising pathways to peace have emerged. This book traces the shifting relations among Israel, Iran, and the United States from 1948 to the present, uncovering for the first time the details of secret alliances, treacherous acts, and unsavory political maneuverings that have undermined Middle Eastern stability and disrupted U.S. foreign policy initiatives in the region.



Trita Parsi, a U.S. foreign policy expert with more than a decade of experience, is the only writer who has had access to senior American, Iranian, and Israeli decision makers. He dissects the complicated triangular relations of their countries, arguing that America’s hope for stability in Iraq and for peace in Israel is futile without a correct understanding of the Israeli-Iranian rivalry.



Parsi’s behind-the-scenes revelations about Middle East events will surprise even the most knowledgeable readers: Iran’s prime minister asks Israel to assassinate Khomeini, Israel reaches out to Saddam Hussein after the Gulf War, the United States foils Iran’s plan to withdraw support from Hamas and Hezbollah, and more. This book not only revises our understanding of the Middle East’s recent past, it also spells out a course for the future. In today’s belligerent world, few topics, if any, could be more important.


http://www.amazon.com/Treacherous-Allia ... 981&sr=8-1

Iran scholar Trita Parsi has been arguing for a while that Iran is a rational, pragmatic actor in the Middle East, not an uncontainable rogue state on an unswerving path to nuclear holocaust, as the country is so often portrayed.
Mother Jones

[Arcadia]

it seems Hillary is not good bussiness at all for Obama... at least after reading this note:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmun ... 06-08.html

[mtmynd]

"Do you believe in the Holy Land Cecil?"

i believe in the holy earth.

"I suppose it is going just the way the end timers want it to go. Armageddon or bust. "

there's a lot of truth in that. something like that would give great validity to the bible, wouldn't it?

as the world is consumed by poisonous air, the foul smells of death everywhere and there is a voice saying, "i told you the bible was right! god has taken his revenge just like it was predicted..."

stupidity runs the world.

re: trita parsi... i clicked it on but the talk is over an hour long. i'll save that for later.

[gypsyjoker]

Pastor John Hagee of San Antonio is pushing hard for war with Iran.

If you have ten minutes to spare check this one out

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=90509127

Israeli Journalist Gershom Gorenberg discusses the Christian Zionist movement, which teaches that the rebirth of Israel is a prelude to the second coming of Jesus Christ — and the end of the world.

"It's something of a contradiction in terms, because the people who promote the idea of Christian Zionism are looking at Israel in mythological terms," says Gorenberg. "They're seeing the Jews as actors in a Christian drama leading toward the end of days."

Gorenberg notes that the Christian Zionists take a position on Israel and on the Middle East that puts them at the "the radical right within Israeli politics," opposing any land concessions that might lead to peace.

Gorenberg lives in South Jerusalem and is the author of the several books, including The End of Days: Fundamentalism and the Struggle for the Temple Mount and The Accidental Empire: Israel and the Birth of the Settlements, 1967-1977. He is a senior correspondent for The American Prospect and a former associate editor and columnist for the Israeli newspaper, Jerusalem Report.

This broadcast originally aired on September 18, 2006.


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[gypsyjoker]

From the google translation of Arcadia's Argentine newspaper article

But that's not all. Another segment appeared clearly in the primary: the women Democrats, the most solid bloc of support for Hillary, that by itself a not inconsiderable sum 25 percent of the electorate. Between March and May, the support of women Democrats for Hillary rose from 50 to 57 percent, and continues to rise. "The stature that Hillary reached among women Democrats could not be higher," he told the Los Angeles Times Ellen Moran, director of Emily's List, an important lobby for gender issues.
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?sl=es&tl=en

translations are funny, i liked the bit about

"Cordon Oxidized surrounding the Great Lakes"
and "in the state of Hillbilly."

This bit was interesting too

"In the U.S., where voting is optional and half of the electorate stays at home,..." I guess Argentina is one those countries where you must vote. Belgium is like that too, if you don't vote the police show up at your door.





I don't think Edwards or Hilary would strengthen the ticket that much. I would love to see Hilary on the supreme court. I say a prayer for Ruth Bader Ginsberg as often as I can but she is old and getting older. Jim Webb from Virginia would be the strongest name on the ticket with Obama. A veteran, a stand up guy and a southerner. McCain ain't going to be able to out photo op Webb. Next time McCain goes to Iraq let him explain his vote against Webb's new GI bill of rights in the senate.

I like this bit from the Argentine article too.

because only a cultural revolution can lead to an African American activist like him to the White House, which is called by some White House. Obama is not Colin Powell or Condi Rice or galletita Oreo (white on the outside, black on the inside), or Uncle Tom. That whole world knows this. And no white man subdued in the formula will make the good ol 'boys from Texas, West Virginia or Indiana vote for a type called Barack.

I listen to those pissed off little old lady Clinton supporters talk about voting for McCain I want to puke. Do they not see what is at stake here in the land of the home sick and the brave? They are just as bad as peckerheads in my opinion.

But things are just going swell, every thing on time on schedule. Ship of fools sail on

Everybody got to look out for themselves, pursue our own self interests.

Hell a loo ya
it's the rapture
but
" I ain't scared
I got a plastic Jesus on my dashboard
and he don't slip
and he don't slide
cause his ass is magnetized" cool hand luke


Yep I am saved

[e_dog]

Hillary for Ambassador to Iraq. support tha troupes!

Edwards for V-Pres. Hurray for men.

[gypsyjoker]

Maybe so e-dog
I just liked Webb's position on the Iraq war from the git go.

The chief focus of Webb's campaign was the war in Iraq. Webb opposed the Iraq War from the beginning, stating in a 2002 speech to the Naval Postgraduate School, "We should not occupy territory in Iraq. Do you really want the United States on the ground in that region for a generation? I don't think Iraq is that much of a threat." [1] Webb has described security policy under President Bush as "a complete failure" and favors a withdrawal of troops from Iraq. [2] Webb's son is a Marine currently deployed in Iraq.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=James_Webb

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=James_Webb

This guy thinks Obama would be better off with a govenor as VP

The Strategic Case Against Jim Webb as VP
May 28, 2008 · 3 Comments
[This will be the first of a two part series discussing why Jim Webb, contrary to the media's and many Democrats' conventional wisdon, would make a foolish choice for Obama's running mate. Here I am going to address specifically the strategic errors involved in choosing Webb. From a progressive standpoint there are a number of other issues with Webb. I intend to deal with those in part two tomorrow.]

For all that I imagine we would disagree about virtually every other topic imaginable, Daniel Larison precisely nails the reason Jim Webb would be a terrible and counter-productive VP choice for Obama to make. Rather than reinforcing against a perceived weakness in Obama’s patriotism, national security background, or support among certain demographics, Webb’s presence on the ticket would instead serve to concede the point that Obama even has a weakness in these areas. While the demographic issue is real, it is largely limited to Appalachia and it would be strategic suicide for Obama to in any way give credence to the idea that he needs to shore up his patriotism of security experience. Or as Larison puts in his first reply to a commenter:

"Viewed more skeptically, Webb would not shore up Obama’s support with these voters but would confirm their worst fears. In some way, there will be no pleasing the voters who are intent on finding reasons not to vote for Obama; the Webb selection is misguided in part because it is trying to win voters who are already unreachable at the expense of those who can be won over in the suburbs and elsewhere".



continued here

Brian Schweitzer for Vice President
On Brian Schweitzer as VP

Last night, Senator Jon Tester impishly threw Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer's name into the ring as a potential VP choice. That set off a bunch of thoughts, because I have a closer perspective on Schweitzer than most bloggers. Without going into too much detail, I've worked a short while in Montana politics, enough to feel relatively confident in the following analysis.

The first time I heard Brian Schweitzer speak, I thought: "This guy is going to be President." That is not a common reaction on my part to politicians. I've listened to hundreds and hundreds of Democratic politicians speak, and I've only had that reaction twice in my lifetime. The first was Barack Obama, the second was Brian Schweitzer.

People have asked me what it was that made me feel so strongly in reaction, and the way I'd put it now is that Brian Schweitzer and Barack Obama are the two "new Democrat" styles that are extremely effective in the post-Clinton era. Both emphasize solutions over partisanship. Both are suspected by Republicans of talking a good game of bipartisanship and hewing to traditional Democratic Party ideology. Both are great communicators, but with different rhetorical strengths. Obama rose from an mainly urban and intellectual background; Schweitzer's breakthrough is probably the single best example of why the Democrats chose Denver as the convention site this year.

more

Brian who?
I wonder what Spiro Agnew been up to lately?


"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee"

[e_dog]

cut tha crap, amereica.

Obama fever is a farce.

He's jus like anyother Republicrat.

Righteous honour of being a dupe.

thayt's thamerikann Way.


peace.

[hester_prynne]

The great EDog hath spoken.
But will we listen?
Will we agree?
Probably not, but we are charmed, nonetheless....

H

[gypsyjoker]

sometimes
it takes a smack up side the head with a baseball bat to get my attention.

God I must have a thick skull
to be still standing here today.

That is how e-dog expresses his pain
either that or vodka I guess.


e-dog has some memory of what has gone down before
he does not suffer from selective cultural amnesia


Obama sounds a lot like Bush on the middle east hester.