hezbollah just found out. . .

[e_dog]

it's classic. israeli "defense" forces (the IDF) bomb lebanese civilians especially children at Qana and blame hezbollah for it.

i don't know how they're doin in the ground war, but one thing's for sure, you cannot defeat israel in the blame game; its not even close. israel's govt. is the superpower of guilt trips and its diplomats true masters of rhetoric. to which condi and her fellow idiot american republicans, and the palestinians who have still not grasped the realities of the mediatized "democratic" world, can only aspire but not achieve.

[stilltrucking]

Why do you think Hezbollah actually started this whole round by abducting those soldiers, and thereby triggering this Israeli response?

Well, this is speculation of course, but I think their original intention was to take another ride on the Palestinian cause. Basically what they were doing was kidnapping soldiers so they could demand not only their own prisoners, of which Israel is holding three, they also demand that Palestinian prisoners be released too, showing that they're supporting Hamas, and that they were supporting the cause of getting Palestinian prisoners released. From [Hezbollah leader] Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah's reactions and statements since, it's clear that he did not expect this would result in the kind of escalating conflict they are now engaged in. I suspect the Iranians had their own reasons for wanting to create a diversion from their nuclear program on the eve of the G8 Summit. So there was a confluence of interests here. And the Syrians would understand that his could make them players again since they would calculate exactly what's happened: That people would look to Damascus to calm the situation down just as previous American administrations have done every time Hezbollah clashes with Israel.

http://beirut2bayside.blogspot.com/2006 ... syria.html

Things are working out pretty good for Iran and Syria.
The bottom line is that they want Israel destroyed.

One minor point I wonder about is the word kidnapped. When a soldier is captured on the battlefield is he a POW? So all those people in Gitmo are kidnap victims?



Just a kid. He reminds me of those peach fuzz faced combat medics I met during the Anti Vietnam war demonstrations in DC.

[jimboloco]

exactly some of them kidzzz wazzz kidnappped by th USofA-

on democracy now last week two days of interviews wih a former gitmo prisoner, he's just writ a book, wait a sec, i gotta go toot a puff, then get back, my wife is outa th shower!

oops!
ya know, both sides are crazy

it really boilz down to the fact that the jewzzz want a homeland
and the process that brought them izrael
was one of ethnic disaffection
as it were
so
now they got animosity from almozt all around
sleeper lebanon for startz
i was alwayz focussing about gaza
and also the palestinian suicide bomberzzz
mercy
and rachael corrie in gaza
and so on
the wall
olive groves transferred by land grab
olive grove buffer zonezzz
sentiment voted in alternative frustration party
hamass
what i am
what i be
and then th other one
th sleeper
hhhiiiizzzbolllaaahhh
i'll get back at ya
they alwayzzz say.

Monday, July 31st, 2006
Enemy Combatant: Moazzam Begg on his Imprisonment at Guantanamo, Bagram, and Kandahar


Tuesday, August 1st, 2006
Pt. 2: Enemy Combatant: Moazzam Begg on His Imprisonment at Guantanamo, Bagram, and Kandahar


cut and paste,
what a gazzz!

[gypsyjoker]

Nobody cares about the four million refugees from Palestine. The Arabs don't want them, the Jews don't want them. Those refugee camps are a good culture for growing violence, destruction, hatred, and death. When Iran gets its atomic bombs things will sort themselves out.

Eventually there will be plenty of room for everyone in the Middle East. I suppose

I just don’t get Zionism jimbo, I don’t get the Holy Land either. But when I call you a goy or a shagitz I am joking of course. But that is the ignorance I was raised in. It was a Quaker who set me right about the chosen people thing. I miss that peculiar humor of theirs. He said to me, “Oh yes the Jews were chosen, they were chosen to suffer.”

Kinky Friedman says,

“You can criticize me all you want, just don’t circumcise me any more.

A Jew without Jews, without Judaism, without Zionism, without Jewishness, without a temple or an army or even a pistol, a Jew clearly without a home, just the object itself, like a glass or an apple.
Philip Roth

My mother was born in the kibbutz in Woodbine NJ
http://www.thesam.org/

If my mother was a holocaust survivor and a suicide I would probably feel different about Zionism. That Avatar for gypsyjoker is a picture of Baron De Hirsch. The reason I am alive today. He did not have much use for Zionism either. He was the Warren Buffet of the 19th century. He spent a hundred million dollars bringing Jews out of the disintegrating Ottoman Empire and Eastern Europe. He brought them to the New World.

"My own personal experience, too has led me to recognize that the Jews have very good ability in agriculture...and my efforts shall show that the Jews have not lost the agricultural qualities that their forefathers possessed. I shall try to make for them a new home in different lands, where as free farmers on their own soil, they can make themselves useful to that country."
--Baron Maurice de Hirsch in The Forum (August 1891)
Baron Maurice de Hirsch, a Jewish-German financier and philanthropist dedicated his fortune to the welfare of Eastern European Jews at a time when worsening conditions in Russia made mass emigration a necessity. Hirsch's estate, estimated at $100 million by 1890, resulted from his pioneer enterprises in the sugar and copper industries and management of the Turkish railway, which linked Constantinople to Europe.
His experiences in the Ottoman Empire alerted him to the plight of Middle Eastern Jewry. Convinced that modern secular education would alleviate the miserable conditions faced by Jews, he gave one million francs ($200,000) to the Alliance Israelite Universelle for the creation of schools. In 1891, the czarist government of Russia had refused Hirsch's offer of 50 million francs ($10,000,000) to establish a modern educational system for Jews, because it was not given complete control over the allocation of the funds.
Hirsch was approached by Theodor Herzl to request his support for the Zionist movement, but he regarded the creation of a Jewish state as a fantasy and refused any assistance. At the same time, he had become convinced that Jews were fated to suffer as long as they remained in Eastern Europe. He believed that emigration to nations without a history of antisemitism, where Jews would be treated as equal citizens, would lead to both a physical and moral rebirth of Jewry.

Therefore, Hirsch envisioned the transformation of Eastern European Jewry into a class of independent farmers and handicraftsmen in the New World. He established the New York based Baron de Hirsch Fund in 1891 facilitate this goal. Hirsch recruited Mayer Sulzberger, William B. Hackenburg, Jacob H. Schiff, Myer S. Isaacs, Oscar S. Straus and other American Jewish leaders to serve as officers and trustees. Later that same year, Hirsch created the Jewish Colonization Association to facilitate mass emigration of Jews from Russia to agricultural colonies particularly in Argentina and Brazil.

The desire of Hirsch and his Fund's leadership to recast Eastern European Jewish immigrants in the image of "biblical farmers" was shaped by a mix of attitudes. The trustees wanted to reverse the historic discrimination that banned their Eastern European brethren from farming. At the same time, they shared a negative Western European stereotype of Eastern European Jews as unskilled workers, beggers and peddlers. Therefore the goal of the Fund's leadership was to improve the lot of Eastern European Jews and transform them into a socio-economic class acceptable to the tastes of the 19th century Jewish elite.

All kinds of Jews jimbo, the German Jews were the elites, my family is peasant stock, Polish and Russian. If you look at some of the pictures of Israeli soldiers you will see Negro soldiers.

well the road to hell is paved with
got up at 5:45am, today was the day I was going to try and start my meditation practice. Better late than

[Arcadia]

Barenboim thoughts:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultim ... 08-03.html

[Arcadia]

wow! now we have our own muro de los lamentos for twenty four hours!!!
See:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultim ... 08-04.html

[stilltrucking]

[jimboloco]

Arcadia I appreciate Las Pagiinas from you

I gotta go to my Zen group, missed last week.

I agree, Judea and Palestine,
but Israel is a tragedy
abd to have to survive in a perpetual war,
Israel's fate,

it's a sad story

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/ultim ... 08-04.html

[Arcadia]

jimbo: Pagina/12 is now the officialist newspaper. But I don't want to read La Nacion as alternative...
have a good zen day!!

[e_dog]

did ya hear?

Stephen Spielberg is gonna make a new film about the current crisis in Lebanon.

it's called:

Saving Private Zion.



(ok. that's a terrible joke i admit. but i had to say it before it appears on the Daily Show or something like that. since its an inevitable pun, pop culturally speaking.)

[jimboloco]

ha ha ha

Después de lanzar más de 160 misiles que provocaron ocho muertes civiles, el líder de Hezbolá aseguró que si Israel bombardea el centro de Beirut el próximo blanco será Tel Aviv. El gobierno israelí respondió que, si lo hacen, “destruirá toda la infraestructura del Líbano”
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/princ ... 08-04.html

after launching more than sixty missiles that provoked 8 civilian deaths (inside israel), the hezbollah leader assured that if israel bombarded the center of beirut, the next target would be tel aviv. the israeli government responded that, if that happens, (israel) "will destroy the entire infrastructure of lebanon."

call you one an raise you one
up the ante
payback's a bitch
an we're all screwed.

[Arcadia]

well, it seems there are no more bombs exploding now.
I went to an acto last saturday in Plaza Pringles for the end of the fire. The lebanese community here also wanted indemnization from the sionist state of Israel (not the UN) for the terrible structure damage in their country.

[Diana Moon Glampers]

Holding my breath, almost twelve hours of a cease fire with out a shot, peace may have broken out.

What is that dudes name Olmert?, a kosher George W Bush. I catch a by line sometimes that says even the Israeli left thinks the war was justified. My god, it gives me the he be gee bees just trying to imagine what the Israeli right must be like.

[e_dog]

Moon Glampers says:

"I catch a by line sometimes that says even the Israeli left thinks the war was justified. My god, it gives me the he be gee bees just trying to imagine what the Israeli right must be like."

that's total bullshit. the latest numbers say that 40% of the Israelis are now opposed to the war.

that poll you cite showing support is probably from a biased poll conducted at the very beginning under conditions of a censored public, a poll probably reported yb the same people who think that the Democratic Party in the United States represents the "left."

[Diana Moon Glampers]

ten four e-dog.
Now that I think of it
it may have been a blog from Israel.
I appreciate the modulation