Rapes in the military

[Arcadia]

I think that to be stucked in the position that to be a victim is only a matter of attitude or interpretation it´s the same thing that to only have in mind quantum physics when a rock is gonna hitting someone´s head. Rapes happens and it´s sad. And always the suspicious cloud (stupidity, blind weakness, hornyness) is over the woman. Weird. Shit happens also in other formats, but they are not rape-rape, they are other things. And sure, the piles can be big!. And the military thing... well, I have to say that the first thing that crossed my mind was "what the hell women have to do with/in USA army?" ... (yeah, I know it doesn´t sound politically/gender correct at all )

[stilltrucking]

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There are plenty of men in jail who are innocent
There are men on death row who have committed no crime
I am sure there are men in jail who have committed no rape.

When Debra Norville was the host of the TODAY SHOW---
She had a man on the show who had spent a long time in prison for a rape he did not commit (I mean a long time 15 or 20 years I think). The only reason he was freed was because the woman who accused him developed a case of bad conscience. She even had the courage to come on the show with the guy she accused. . At the end of the show Debra Norville asked them if they wanted to give each onther a hug. The man declined the offer. I think Norville was fired from the show a couple of days later

I don't know arcadia, I don't know anything about quantum mechanics but it interests me terribly. Especially a thing called "entanglement" which Einstein called "spooky action at a distance". I have only known a few women who have been raped and I have no doubt that it happened. And I don't think they were asking for it. There was nothing ambiguous about it.

One of them is someone who is very dear to me. She has a growth on one of her vocal chords. The doctor said it could have been caused by trauma and the only trauma my friend can think of is the time she was raped twenty five years ago and the guy was strangling her while he was at it. She is very lucky to be alive. She was out walking her dog when it happened.


At college park maryland some women's group took a list of men's names out of the student directory/phone book and made up flyers which they posted all over campus with a caption that read something like "Warning Rapists." They were speaking statistically, none of the men on the list were actually rapists but statistically one out of every ten or three or five men on campus was a potential rapist according to some study. This was a twenty years ago, I forgot much of the details but it went something like that. That was their way of fighting sexual abuse.



I guess a lot of those women are in the army for the same reason as a lot of men, for the money, for the educational benefits. Maybe even for patriotic reasons. Bohonato's sister is in the army. I have not seen him around lately, I hope they are okay.

Entangled Up In Blue
sounds like a Dylan Song I like a lot
nothing to do with this post I guess


I just like the song

[mnaz]

Are we really that confused as to not understand the concept of rape?
Rape is taken without consent. If there is no consent, it is rape. If there is uncoerced consent, it is not rape.

Blame the victim, but rape is still rape. Blame the rapist, but consent is still consent. Look inside a little deeper.

[Arcadia]

s-t: the link to the dylan´s song doesn´t work but I´ll find it somewhere else. I don´t know personally woman that have been raped (or at least they didn´t tell me about it). But I know a few kids that were raped.

mnaz: confusion is part of what we are sometimes, yeah

doreen: sorry to hear what happened to you and if you really want to help other women sure you can do it somehow!! best wishes with that!!!!

[Doreen Peri]

Arcadia... thanks. And I'm sure you know women who have been raped. They just haven't confided the information to you. I don't know what the percentage is exactly but I suspect that probably 1/4 to 1/3 of all women on the planet have been raped. It's huge. This is one reason why I speak out. Hopefully more women will speak out.

mnaz.... you're right. Simple concept. It is what it is. Consent is consent. No means NO. What's not to understand?

[stilltrucking]

Sorry about the link arcadia.


Not to spill my guts to you arcadia. Nothing was every ambigous to me about No. But I have heard of women who say "yes" than "No" than "Yes" I have never known a woman like that, I have been a fortunate man, my lovers have all been mostly silent women. Only one has told me no once we had made that fleshy connection, and I withdrew, cause I took No for no. Later when she was sitting on the bed slipping on her bra she looked at me with the saddest expression, she was my true love we met at her sweet sixteen party and went steady for five years and became engaged to be married, in five years of increasing heavy petting I had never entered her until that night. Unfortunately that night was after the day she asked me to marry her, and I said no. She had moved on, I thought I could still hang on to her. She looked so sad afterwards because she knew what a long lonely trip it would be for me.

sorry about your experience doreen dam sorry,
I am not trying to debate you. It is open season on women. I am trying to fight against their abuse too.

For some reason I am thinking of that story by westie called Ahmed.


I think somewhere bohonato posted something about his sister's experience in the military.

She is being very wary.

And a long long time ago
Abstroint posted something about her miltary experience.

love peace and taco grease
jt

[mtmynd]

your stats on female rape are about what i've seen, too. what the stats do not reveal is what percentage of men do the raping. i would not believe anywhere near the same percentage of 1/4 to 1/3 of all men on the planet have raped a woman. I would guess it's a great deal less than that. altho, silence has more answers than questions will reveal.

[stilltrucking]

Just doing my little existential strip teases my apologies
To every one for giving you TMI.

So many women converting to Islam I have heard, especially in Latin America and other machismo cultures.

I would like to think that American women do not need to wear a burqa; we should dress them in the constitution. In the protection of the law,

Fine words I know.
But I want them to mean something


Fight the good fight Doreen

Yes the silence has questions
that is why we need to talk about this.

[e_dog]

Rape the military way
War all the thyme