rethink venezulaa

[jimboloco]

and now hugo wants to exhume the body of simon bolivar
viva bolivar
your biggest fan wants a word with you
he's a joker too

[Arcadia]

and now hugo wants to exhume the body of simon bolivar literally talking????????

[jimboloco]

yeah and he wants war with Columbia
the guy is a loose cannon
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080302/ap_ ... a_colombia
but I can understand his anger about the massacre of FARC
while they were sleeping
FARC has used similar tactics also

he's over the edge
somebody needs to baker act the man
like he's going loopy

[e_dog]

what you talking about?

[Arcadia]

I think that Chavez vision is -in his own style- basically true about Uribe´s Colombia. But I´m so tired of militarism & guerrilla... again-again...
I hope they talk and Chavez stop a bit with paranoia and face what´s happenig in the zone without being in arms. The worst thing for us would be to fight to each other... I remember when in 1979 we had in my city programmed apagones in order to not be seen by possible chilean planes... Beagle conflict, then Malvinas and the suddenly patriotic efusion. Also what I read about the Paraguay war and the Pacific war...Maybe it´s different: I know Chavez is not Galtieri but it´s difficult sometimes to be sure about him.

[Arcadia]

"good revolutionary Reyes"... well... maybe it´s too much. Maybe Chavez only wants to show up a little with all the arms he has being buying in the last years...

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmun ... 03-03.html

[e_dog]

yeah, sure, blame Chavez. all his fault. Forget about Uribe and PLAN COLOMBIA!


F--- U.S. IMPerialISMO.

[Arcadia]

e-dog: I don´t forget it...! I already mentioned Plan Colombia in this thread or near here.

some interesting notes in today´s pagina/12 about the colombian incident and USA connections (see also the subnotas). I already read some of them, they helped me to try to see the particularity of this historic moment in the region. See:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-04.html

[jimboloco]

dog man
you ever kill anybody? you ever seen anybody killed. you ever an accomplice to murder? your pathos is, like, pure, man.

I much prefer the style of Ecuadorian president and Bolivia's
also the other persons within Chavez' house.

His bluster is bufoonery.
plus FARC is no better, they have been kidnappers, murderers.

kill a capitalist for Karl.
kill a commie for Christ.

I don't mind the massing of troops on the borders either or the expulsion of thhe Columbian ambassassador from Quito.

But Chavez is now (indirectly) stating that he supports the violent overthrow of the Columbian government by stating his unabashed support for FARC.

A civil war full scale inside Columbia would be tragic and would invite American intervention. Not my choice.

[jimboloco]

I read the latter pagina articulo

the governments of Argentina, Brazil, Chile want the OAS to convene to try to deescalate the situation, while condemning the breach of sov·er·eign·ty of Ecuador, while Uribe is stating he has now the endorsement of Bush,who claims that war on terror knows no boundaries, and the USofA tried somehow to block the convocation of the UAS, which thankfully has been ignored.

And yes, the CIA did probably track down the FARC leader and their camp and yes Uribe initially stated that the Columbian troops were actively pursuing the guerrilas and found themselves surprisingly across the border, until it was later revealed that the guerrilleros were attacked in their sleep.

It's not a black and white issue, hound dog,
woof woof. Chavez is an escalator as well and needs to be watched for a tendency to inflation.

I don,'t want him to be the source of democratic socialism's demise in South America but his inflationary rhetoric as well as his unpredictable manner gives me some concern.


Where is the yellow rose of Texas when we need her?
Think what would happen if McCain gets to be the prez.
Can we fight three wars at the same time?

[Arcadia]

Uribe´s father was killed by FARC, he´s completely blind for that or something else. Hard to ask him some balance. But he´s a president also.
FARC... I hope they understand it´s time to change the way to fight for a better country and that nowadays they are functional to the stablishment.
Chavez... well, I hope he can manage his super-ego with a little help of his friends and that he resist to use his new toys. I don´t want to see him developed in a seventies´s dictator or a cia agent
Mc Cain as president would be terrible, more of the same when more of that would be too much for everyone. Add the exasperation that USA economic crisis could inject.


I wonder and at the same time I still have faith in the rest of the people! (me included)

[e_dog]

arcadia and jimbo,


i don't want ta see war. i also think its sad that chavez is acting so tough that kind of undercuts his earlier gestures toward latinamerican solidarity. mypoint is just that -- What do you expect from Colombian govt bing an imperial tool of US IMPYRE?

I say end Plan Colombia.

i'm no FARC-lover but theys much less worse than the rightwing parmilies and the corrupt gov't.

John MCCain AND Hilly would be disastre, remember ole Bill Clint was a covert narco warrior, too.

but it seems America o th norte is too raciste to elect Obama. They jus dont like arabs.


VIVA CHAVEZ.

[Arcadia]

i don't want ta see war

I know that

What do you expect from Colombian govt bing an imperial tool of US IMPYRE?

from Colombian & USA govt not too much

I say end Plan Colombia.

ok!

[stilltrucking]

Arcadia said

super-ego

interesting phrase

As we grow into adulthood, various other individuals or organizations will take over the place of the father and his prohibitions (the church, the law, the police, the government). Because of its connection to the id, the superego has the ability to become excessively moral and thus lead to destructive effects.
http://www.cla.purdue.edu/English/theor ... erego.html

When I think of the super ego I think of that Jimmy Cricket character in the Walt Disney cartoon Pinochio. The cute little critter that sits on our righ shoulder and tells us right from wrong. But it ain't really that cute. Not when it calls for war.

It is what puts the ape in apricot, courage, the courage of one's convictions of right and wrong. Chavez as much a cowboy as Bush is in his own way. They both so sure they are right.

more definitions
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl ... n&ct=title

Perhaps not as you intended it.

Empires come and go
but the ill that they do lingers

I am still trying to keep my faith in the people.

[e_dog]

Simone Bollywar.

Colombia is Empirial Puppet.


The revolution will not be televised.

Sucka MCs betta re-cog-nize.

Bush is on crack.

McCain is cheney's robot.