rethink venezulaa

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Post by stilltrucking » March 7th, 2008, 6:40 am

Speaking of puppets:

"Sentient puppetts on god's stage" T.E. Lawrence quote from geezer memory so it is probably mangled.

I don't know jack shit about revolutions, but I tried to read the 18th Braumier of Louis Napolean (something like that)

"every thing happens twice"
which I found out later he ripped off from Hegel.
I also no nothing about Hegel

but I still like N.O. Brown's description of "superannuated political categories"

I suppose I have a point here somewhere relating to the topic of this post.

It is this
I think

If Obama wins, which I am sincerely hoping he does. Then I would like to see him reach out to McCain as his secretary of war, (fuck euphenisms like secretary of defense) He was Rumsfeld's harshest critic when every other republican was going along with him. I done know if he is Chaney's puppet. I don't think he is another Rumsfeld.

Hillary would make a great secretary of state cause she might finally know now what she should have known then.

Rethinking Venezuela

nothing to do with that I guess.
sorry.

I guess I didn't have a point after all

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Post by jimboloco » March 7th, 2008, 7:14 pm

unpurify thy pathos

i do believe that there were negocistions going on
about a prisoner exchange

i think that if the FARC is engaged in negotiations, they should have sanctuary where their negotiating team is stationed

OAS should implement this as a standard rule
the CIA and Columbia disrupted the effort
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Post by Arcadia » March 8th, 2008, 10:03 am

it seems they are friends again :roll: :)

See:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 03-08.html

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Post by e_dog » March 12th, 2008, 6:18 pm

Chavez for prezident.

forget Obama, Hugo!!
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Post by e_dog » March 13th, 2008, 2:08 pm

viva FARC!

viva Uribe!

Viva BUSH!

Viva Hugo!

Paz sin justicia. Los pobres no tienen ningunos los dineros. los ricos trabajan nunca.

Spitzer fer president.

Obama's new running mate.
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Post by stilltrucking » March 13th, 2008, 2:26 pm

Where is the United Fruit Company when we need them.

Bizness as usual that's what it is.

Meanwhile
China is eating our lunch, so we got to eat yours.

I don't know what it will take to turn it around.

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Post by Arcadia » March 21st, 2008, 3:55 pm

a link to an entrevista about a book about Bolívar I would like to read:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/suple ... 03-16.html

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Post by jimboloco » March 21st, 2008, 10:30 pm

I read the pagina about the debate betreen Correa and Uribe, also attended by heads of states from Mexico to Argentina, very impressive gathering where strong opinions were aired. The keystone was that Uribe agreed to honor the soveriegnity of the other states, but he also said that if he had warned Ecuador of the incursion, they would have warned the guerrillas, FARC.

Was there any mention of the young students who were also killed in this raid?
Continental strategy

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/contr ... 03-13.html

By Boaventura of Sousa Holy *
About the incursion of the Colombian army in territory of Equator, to eliminate to a group of guerrillas of the FARC, seems to be all said; more still if appears like a case closed, successfully closed. But the truth is that is not thus. What is revealed on the situation is as important as what itself hidden.

First concealment: the political processes in Latin America question the continental control that United States needs to guarantee the free access to the natural resources of the region. Is a matter of a threat to the national security of United States that, before the imminent failure of the answers "arrived at by consensus" (free commerce and concessions for the military bases), search to have an answer sign and unilateral. That is to say, the global war against the terrorism arrives at the continent –arrived with the Plan Colombia but the incursion in Middle East caused some delay– and assumes here the same characteristics that has acquired in other continents: to utilize a privileged ally (be this Colombia, Israel or Pakistan), to whom through the years is provided with the military assistance and information of sophisticated espionage that puts it You attack and permits actions dramatics of low cost and a certain success; is incited to the ally to the regional isolationism as price to pay for the alliance hegemónica.

The war against the terrorism includes very visible actions and other secrets. Among the last they are the acts of espionage and of destabilization; Bolivia, Venezuela, the triple border (Paraguay, Brazil, Argentina) are the white privileged. In Bolivia, American fellows of the Foundation Fulbright are calls by the Embassy of United States to give information on the presence of Cubans and Venezuelan and native movements suspected; while, the extremist separatists of Holy Cross are coached in the Colombian forest by the paramilitary. New facts: in the actions of destabilization can participate military businesses and of private security, hired by United States under the umbrella of the Plan Colombia that, besides, endows them of diplomatic immunity and therefore impunity before the national Justice.

Second concealment: the true threat are not the FARC. They are the progressive forces and, especially, the rural and native movements. In fact, the continuance of the FARC is fundamental to maintain the justification of the war against the terrorism and to generate a climate of fear and a military logic that blocks the ascent of the progressive forces, called Democratic Pole of Colombia.

By the same reason, the humane intervention in favor of the hostages had to be dismantled so that did not obtain political return Hugo Chávez. The progressive political forces threaten the territorial domination from United States through measures that seek to fortify the sovereignty of the countries on the natural resources and to alter the rules of the distribution of the benefits of their exploitation.

But the greater threat stems from those that invoke ancient rights on the territories where are those resources, that is to say, of the native towns. In relation to this is eloquent the report Global Tendencies-2020, produced by the National Counsel of Information of United States, on the settings of threat to the national security of the country. In the report is affirmed that the territorial demands of the native movements "represent a risk for the regional security" and they are one of the "main factors that will determine the Latin-American future". Taking as an example the native fights of Chiapas, Equator, Bolivia, Chile and south of Argentina, is said that "at first of the 21st century radical native groups in the majority of the Latin-American countries exist that in 2020 will be able to grow exponentially, obtaining the adhesion of the majority of the native... towns These groups will be able to establish relations with international terrorist groups and groups antiglobalization... that will question the economic politics of the Of European origin".

In light of this does not surprise that the president of Peru be asked "if there will not be an international terrorist in Latin America". Does neither he surprise that at present hundreds of native leaders of Peru and of Chile have been attributed in the shelter of antiterrorist laws promulgated in these and other countries (by pressure of United States) by defending their territories. The strategy remains then delineated: to transform to the native movements in the next generation of terrorists and, to face them, to continue the prescriptions indicated in the report: tolerance zero, reinforcements for military expenses, narrowing of the relations with United States. The responsibility of the progressive political forces is to achieve that this strategy fail.

* Doctor in Sociology of the Right, professor of the University of Coimbra (Portugal).

forgive the freetranslation.com web page edition,
but it gets the point across, that there is an underhanded war going on thruought south america to uindermine progressive political advances, from yours truly, uncle sam
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Post by Arcadia » March 22nd, 2008, 10:06 am

thanks cousin-uncle jimbo! :wink:

Was there any mention of the young students who were also killed in this raid?

I didn´t read about that.

yeah, that meeting was interesting!!!!!!!

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Post by jimboloco » March 23rd, 2008, 9:27 am

they were young people, i think i saw it on "democracy now", will have to go back and get it. feliz easter!
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Post by e_dog » March 23rd, 2008, 8:37 pm

!viva la revolucion bolivarista!~


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Post by Arcadia » March 23rd, 2008, 10:54 pm

revolución bolivariana... I wonder what it exactly means.... :lol: I don´t know if starting reading about Bolívar would help, but I suddenly want to do it!!!!!!!!!!! :wink:

thanks jimbo, I hope you had a good easter too (I only ate half egg and shared the rest!)

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Post by Arcadia » March 24th, 2008, 9:55 am

Era ecuatoriano el que murió con Reyes

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmun ... 03-24.html

Bush en el cielo (by Raúl Castro)

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elmun ... 03-24.html

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Post by e_dog » March 24th, 2008, 11:29 am

Simon Bolivar = Hugo Chavez.


reincarnacion de la revolucion.


Jorge Washington = Fidel Castro.


Tomas Paine = Che Guevara.


el loco King George III = G. W. Bush.


Dr. Samuel Johnson = uh, ... totenkopf.


Susan B. Anthony = doreen.
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