U.S. WAR RESISTERS IN CANADA

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U.S. WAR RESISTERS IN CANADA

Post by Zlatko Waterman » November 17th, 2007, 11:05 am

Read about the new exodus of soldiers here:

http://www.antiwar.com/glantz/?articleid=11922

War resisters-- 200 of them-- have fled to Canada since the Iraq War started . . .


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Post by e_dog » November 17th, 2007, 11:00 pm

two werds:

cow-herds.

thems cowherds.


they should go to iraq and die like the men we treatumas.

support themselves.

tha tr-oops.
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Post by jimboloco » November 18th, 2007, 9:50 pm

well i am enjoying edog's rabid humor
wonder if he's got rabies
or is merely celebrating his aghast dismay
Canadian immigration officials ruled, however, that "as mere footsoldiers," US war resisters "could not be held responsible for the breach of international law committed by United States in going to Iraq." Immigration authorities also ruled that "ordinary footsoldiers are not expected to make own personal assessments as to the legality of any conflict they may be called upon to fight." They also said there is no internationally recognized right to object to a particular war.

oh Canada
you have a hockypuck up your ass

which is why one does not necessarily trust someone who is polite and smiles.

"... mere footsoldiers...are not expected to make own personal assessments as to the legality of any conflict they may be called upon to fight...."
this is exactly what we are doing, what i did, yet had to couch that into a conscientious objector discharge statement that was not entirely truthful, which is why i ultimately retracted it and resigned, telling them that i supported wars of national liberation like america's and that of the vietnamese people. It's what i wrote when i resigned. They accepted it and let me go.
The former Congressman Ron Dellums D-Oakland, authored a bill thhat would have allowed fr selective conscientious objection.
That the Canadian Government does not recognise this, inspite of the fact that, as a nation, they did not sanction the Iraq War because it had not the approval of the United Nations, yet allowed support naval missions there, and refused to allow American ex-patriots to object on those same grounds within their provenance, is purely hypocritical. Canadians are too detached and non-plussed about this business.

The canadian Supreme Court refused o hear their case because "they would not be at risk of their lives if they returned to the United States, nor were they at risk of "cruel and unusual treatment or punishment."

After losing their appeal at the Supreme Court, Hinzman and Hughey will now receive a "pre-removal risk assessment," which is designed to judge whether in the United States they would be at risk of torture, death or cruel and unusual punishment or treatment.

That's only the beginning of a drawn-out deportation process that could go on for years.

"We still have a bit of time before anyone is looking at getting sent back imminently," Ryan Johnson said.

War resisters can also apply for permanent residency in Canada on humanitarian or compassionate grounds.

Meanwhile, supporters of US soldiers who fled across the northern border are turning their efforts toward the Canadian Parliament, which they hope will pass a law overruling existing policy – despite the opposition of Prime Minister Stephen Harper, the National Democratic Party and Bloc Quebecois. If they can get the center-left Liberal Party to go along, supporters say, such a bill could become law without Harper's support.
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Post by e_dog » November 18th, 2007, 10:09 pm

if ya cant beaten join em.

i'm going Re-publikan.

Out right tha Right.

Outright 'riginality.

In-Sanality.
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Post by jimboloco » November 18th, 2007, 10:12 pm

don't go rabid on me, man.
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Post by the flaming ace » November 18th, 2007, 11:44 pm

it's too much to bear
what a world
what a world
besides
i'd rather go to jail than
go back to nam
or
hell
it wasn't all that easy in either canada or sweden
old war resister refugee wrote a poem in sweden willhave to search for it

http://www.kennesaw.edu/english/newslet ... s_pg2.html
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Post by e_dog » November 19th, 2007, 2:40 am

Got bit by Mitt
Romknee

That's tha campaign slo
gun

Git bitt by mitt

or't'wouldabeen if
i'da been able
ta manage
-r be.
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Post by jimboloco » November 19th, 2007, 8:28 am

did you get drunk on Sunday eve?
that's a good campaign slogan
get bit by mitt
or
get foolied by giulie
or
get bompsome with thompsome
or
get fuckedaby by huckaby
or no panadering with canadaring
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Since the election of the Progressive Conservative party under Brian Mulroney back in the 80’s, our federal government has been twisted away from the core Canadian values—“Peace, Order, Good Government”—toward supporting the imperialist military agenda of the U.S.

Rather than the image of Canada as a “peacekeeping” nation, we are now engaged in wars of aggression.

We need and deserve a government that reflects the true values of Canadians—and not the values of corporate leaders or the U.S. government.

We need a government that will both refuse to participate in non-peacekeeping military actions, and actively oppose all military aggression throughout the world.
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Post by e_dog » November 19th, 2007, 6:48 pm

e dog 's brain was temporarilly infiltratedby Republican operatives. (Repubots)

they have indentified and expelled but there may still be sleepercells remaining behynd and lurking within.


BE VIGILENT. and afraid.
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Post by Zlatko Waterman » November 19th, 2007, 8:25 pm

I was drafted for Vietnam in 1965, and two subsequent times also. The third time they discovered I have only one functioning eye. I do not exaggerate. And that discovery depended on a Major who happened to be hanging around the Oakland Afees Induction Center.

One of my good friends had already gone to Canada and become a citizen along with his wife and two kids.

I was ready, and had already made several trips to Victoria, B.C.. to visit. I was set to live in their flower shed.

Pretty place, Victoria-- like a slightly cooler Seattle, but much prettier-- back then.

Since Black Jack Pershing marched to Mexico to guard the oil wells ( at least, and before then, when we were "ridding" the plains of the "Indian Menace"), we've been fancy with our borders.

Canadians are nice folks-- so are plenty of U.S.-ians.

Just the governments get in the way, that's all.


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Post by jimboloco » November 19th, 2007, 10:45 pm

well, i can breathe a sigh of relief about edaog
and as far oh canada goeth,
well,
it wasn't all that easy for folks to move outa da country and into the north
but i appreciate your remarks zmon
i yam peed at the immigration folks and at the supreme court

i want to fnd that poem by the fellow who took refuge in sweden
it is a poem about being in exile no matter how wonderful the refugee country is
it is still an exile
combined with post vietnam trauma
i think it is in my book of poems
for those who came home tirededited by wd erhardt
and i believe that the vet in queston has already passed away


let's keep posted on these americanos now seeking refuge in canada
From: Courage to Resist <courage>
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 5:55:27 PM
Subject: Action Urgent After Canada Court Denial; Kim Rivera AWOL in Canada; New Audio Interviews; Winter Soldier 2008
http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/content/view/544/1/

sign the appeal
let the war resisters stay
http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/index. ... iew&id=499\\

zman got drafted 3 times
man those were some crazy times
is today any better?
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Post by e_dog » November 20th, 2007, 4:34 pm

How d'you get away with a bad eye, Z-man? Just wonder why they didn't make ya push a pencil and file paperwork, desk job? Teach art classes to tha troops.

Even the civil War had requisition men etc.?

More Power to ya.

Just curious how this whole draft thing wrks. Guess they just want men as cannonfodder.

We Need ta BRING BACK THA DRAFT.

's THA ONLY WAY kids'll GIVE A SHIT bout this warz.
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Post by stilltrucking » November 20th, 2007, 5:02 pm

I thought bringing back the draft was a good idea but now I don]t think it is a good idea. I don't think it would change anything. And who the hell am I to wish that on anyone. Unless they draft old men too.

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Post by e_dog » November 20th, 2007, 5:33 pm

Only way to get the Protests going. People don't give a shit about Iraq now. Reality TV ain't enuf. need REALITY.

dRAFT AMERICA FOR PEACE.
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Post by jimboloco » November 20th, 2007, 5:44 pm

when we bomb iran and the dollar plummets and the price of oil skyrockets
yah maybe somebody will get pissed

problem is i think bush is waiting until just before his term is up
so the dumbocratz can deal with the aftermath
he'll be going between texas and wyoming and abudubai
bahrain

you are right of course
a draft would place large numbers of kids in harms way and force a true appreciatin of the stupidity of this war

but there should be no student deferments
a lottery straight up
and start with the rich sons of basturds

so anyhoo
i gotta get outside
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