Norman Mailer died two weeks ago

[stilltrucking]

"Roll The Dice"
by Bukowski

if you’re going to try,
go all the way.

otherwise, don’t even start.

if you’re going to try,
go all the way.
this could mean losing girlfriends,
wives, relatives, jobs and
maybe your mind.

go all the way.

it could mean not eating for 3 or 4 days.
it could mean freezing on a
park bench.
it could mean jail,
it could mean derision,
mockery,isolation.
isolation is the gift,
all the others are a test of your
endurance,
of how much you really want to
do it.

and you’ll do it
despite rejection and the worst odds
and it will be better than
anything else
you can imagine.

if you’re going to try,
go all the way.
there is no other feeling like that.

you will be alone with the gods
and the nights will flame with
fire.

do it, do it, do it.
do it.

all the way
all the way.

you will ride life straight to
perfect laughter,
its the only good fight
there is.

[stilltrucking]

Born Into This
is his Howl
if you could have watched it a bit longer
you might have thought it was worth listening too.
but
I can understand you being offended.

[Doreen Peri]

I wasn't offended. I just thought he was an asshole. Arrogant sexist assholes say shit like that. But they don't offend me. They just make me shake my head and walk away.

When I have some time, maybe I'll check the rest out anyway since you said it was good.

Who wrote "Born Into This"? You? Or Bukowski? I"m confused.

[Totenkopf]

One word: ishallah!

Mailer was one step away from his one-time pal Podhoretz.

Instead of macho-mensch like Mailer-- or the hobo-school of Buk.,--- we'd probably do better with the calm, reasoned writings of a Bertrand Russell, however much he offends a few hysterio-crats. Bertie was even a bit of a feminist, tho' not of the zealous french-marxist sort.

[stilltrucking]

yeah Bukowski wrote it. I don't know why I posted it. It had nothing to do with the topic of this thread. I have never read Bukowski. Just bits and pieces. You smart to walk away.

I could not get interested in Mailer. I think he is too deep for me. For example this bit about the courage of psychopath murderers.

Among his most provocative work of this period was "The White Negro: Superficial Reflections on the Hipster," which caused a sensation when it was published in 1957 in Dissent magazine. In it, Mailer wrote: "The psychopath murders -- if he has the courage -- out of the necessity to purge his violence, for if he cannot empty his hatred, then he cannot love."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

That quote above is from a post I made about Mailer's death two weeks ago. Here is the link to it. Macho Consciousness 101 It is the second post on that page. For what it is worth.

[Doreen Peri]

ok... thanks... on your post, ii quoted it and credited it to him.

[stilltrucking]

yeah I could not work it out
I should have just quoted him.
sorry for the confusion

[mnaz]

...you mean, "inshallah"?... as in, "Allah willing", or something like that?
Isn't Podhoretz one of them rabid neo-cons? Seems I read that somewhere... If so, there must have developed quite a split between Mailer & him. Mailer was no fan of Bu$hco, as I recall...

[Totenkopf]

It's usually rendered as "i shallah", or "e-sha-lah." (short "i" as in "in") Don't really hear the "n" sound. Or that's how I've seen it. Means something like, "as Allah wills it," or maybe jus "smoke the mutha-f-ers." MailerSpeak gets about as boring as like old Hustlers after a few minutes.

Podhoretz was a leftist at first; then switched to the neo-cons. Mailer maybe a bit more liberal, but in spirit quite similar.

[stilltrucking]

Podhoretz and Mailer used to friends, but I don't see the the similarity.

Mailer Married America

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[bohonato]

"I transcribe my text with no concern for timeliness. In the years when I discovered the Abbé Vallet volume, there was a widespread conviction that one should write only out of a commitment to the present, in order to change the world. Now, after ten years or more, the man of letters (restored to his loftiest dignity) can happily write out of pure love of writing. And so I now feel free to tell, for sheer narrative pleasure, the story of Adso of Melk, and I am comforted and consoled in finding it immeasurably remote in time (now that the waking of reason has dispelled all the monsters that its sleep had generated), gloriously lacking in any relevance for our day, atemporally alien to our hopes and our certainties."

Umberto Eco, introduction of The Name of the Rose, January 5th, 1980

Perhaps this has nothing to do with anything. By the way, stilltrucking, I was surprised no one here mentioned Mailer's death before. Thank you for proving me wrong. I bought John Dullaghan's documentary Bukowski: Born Into This, but I've never gotten around to watching it. Sometimes I just read the titles of his works. My favourite so far is his 1979 Play the Piano Drunk Like a Percussion Instrument Until the Fingers Begin to Bleed a Bit.

[e_dog]

http://www.studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtop ... t=monsters


http://www.studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtop ... ght=mailer

[e_dog]

buk poem good for hallmark greeting card, nike commercial.

bertrand's russellogic makes bad poetry, feministe or no.

[Totenkopf]

Not surprising you prefer the scribblings of a Vichy bum over RussellSpeak. Pathos runs indefinitely: logos closes after a week. Dionysius screws the choicest heterae; Apollo often has to do with , er, Tisiphone du jour. TISIPHONE DU JOUR?????????

[e_dog]

who's the Vichy bum?

Sartre by the way was busy critiquing the Nazis and Vichy collboratos from within the occupied territory of paris while Russell was busy contemplating his navel, or may be the sense data thereof.