Norman Mailer died two weeks ago

[jimboloco]

hoho was also a dishwasher in beantown

the nlf was originally a combo of
catholics, buddhistts, marxists,
students, intellectuals, nationalists

uncle ho was imprisoned by the chinese for awhile

yeah he wrote to both wilson and truman
after we rescued the frenchies from the germanz both times

writ whilst in a chinese (nationalist) prison:

"the cold and bitter days of winter
turn into the fresh warmth of spring
long and difficult times have strengthened me
forging my spirit into steel"

uncle ho from a book of poems in spanish
published in cuba
i had bought somewhere in the early 70's
lost on the road, but one that inspired me to carry on

[stilltrucking]

I hate losing books, should I hate the sinner or love the sin.

The Blue Book, Wittgenstein. Got away from me about five years ago. Really wanted to get a haircut when that happened. But I found an online version. I am printing it out a couple pages at a time. I keep getting this pop up box that says to display this page properly you must install a Japenese character set. Interesting pop up.

Ho got sold down the river by the USA a couple of times. Both times to the French. THe deal during the great war part two was that the vietminh would help in the effort against the Japenese in exchange for support for their independence after the war. You know the rest.

[jimboloco]

hi jack

[e_dog]

comfiscated by uncle sam

no doubt

uncle ho
ate hoho's? communist front operation
them cakes.

Abbie Hoffman dice que el no era anti-guerra; el era pro-NLF.

Viva la revolucion Bolivarista-Chavezta!

[jimboloco]

hi pup maN
VIVA LA REVOLUCION

[stilltrucking]

jimbo said
hi jack
Yeah why should I not be the only one hijacking boho's thread, but he is cool he probably dont care.

just to try and stay on topic here,
I won't fucking read Heidigger, a little too got dam fucking Po Mo for me jim. Kissing H*tler's ass and talking about authenticity. I wonder what Camus thought of Heidegger.

I wonder if Mailer stabbed his wife becasue that is the only way he could get it up? I bet he beat the shit out of her too.

Rest in peace Norman.

[jimboloco]

like i aksed before at the agora
what is a PO MO?

i got to get my wiked pedia out
he moved from st pete
to san fran

[stilltrucking]

Short answer
POst MOdern
Just more cool to call it Po Mo
and i am nothing if not cool

Eyelidlessness had some serious issues with it.

[jimboloco]

ah now i's got to get back to the agora

have a book by suzi gablik
has modernism failed
(conversations before the end of time)

it looked good, i have a book of hers
an anthology of vietnam veteran art

first there was jo kool
now there is jack kool
kool!
steal this thread!

[quote]In a related work, Resumption, done in 1974, a winged palette"”Kiefer"™s emblem of the artistic imagination"”hovers like a spirit in the sky above a grave heaped with ashes. We have a source outside the world, this art seems to say, and it is from this source that we affect the world. Kiefer"™s work allows no escape into despair. It is not easy optimism either, but affirmation"”that all has not been lost, that something, some potentiality, even from the shadow of Hitlerian evils, will emerge again.

Like Kiefer, Joseph Beuys has a declared interest in the reenergizing of art"™s transformational power. Both share a preoccupation with images of planting and growth, with energy fields, and scenes of death and transfiguration. Beuys has described his sense of purpose as the need to provoke people and make them understand what it is to be a human being; and teaching has always been a major aspect of his creative life. But his real interest lies in the potential of radical transformation"”whether of thought patterns, materials and substances, states of consciousness, or political and social reality.

In 1943, in a now legendary event, Beuys was shot down in the Crimea and rescued by Tartar tribesmen, who saved his life by wrapping him in fat and felt to help his body regenerate warmth. As a result of this experience, Beuys found himself drawn to the healing properties of these materials, which later became the basis for many of his sculptures. Among his early works are a piano which has been completely covered with felt, and a chair whose seat is covered with a thick layer of fat. These substances were deliberately chosen by Beuys because normally they would be considered unaesthetic and economically worthless. Fat expands and soaks into its surroundings. Felt attracts and absorbs what surrounds it. "It is the transformation of substance,"

[stilltrucking]

sail on Normon
Just in case the dead do know something, let me say this.
I am sorry I bad mouthed you behind your back.
may your good live on
may your Chindi find release.

just in case anybody else accuses me of staying on topic
one last tangent.


“The evil that men do lives after them, The good is oft interréd with their bones.”

August 7, 2004
The good that men do
In Shakespeare’s famous eulogy of Julius Caesar, Mark Anthony proclaims, “The evil that men do lives after them, The good is oft interréd with their bones.” The actions of so many of the veterans of the Vietnam conflict are a great illustration of this. When John Kerry came back from Vietnam, he testified about the evil that men had done, in hopes of curtailing this evil. Some veterans reviled Kerry for this, and still attack him.
http://www.greaterdemocracy.org/archives/000160.html

[tarbaby]

The period through which we have just lived has been, on the whole, one in which whatever was inherited from the past was thought of as a tiresome impediment to be escaped from as soon as possible. The first Futurist manifesto, published in 1908 by Filippo Tommaso Marinetti, declared that only by becoming free of "the stinking gangrene of professors, archaeologists, touring guides and antique dealers," only by burning libraries and flooding museums, could Italy save itself. The new world of speed and technology required a new language of forms derived not from the past but from the future. A second manifesto declared that only by denying its past could art correspond to the intellectual needs of our time. Tradition was reactionary. Modernism alone was revolutionary and progressive.

But between that time and the end of the First World War in 1918, disenchantment of another kind set in. By the 1920s, the postwar generation of Dadaists was already doubtful "given the mercenary nature of our society, which in the words of Richard Huelsenbeck "is at best a cartel of pelt merchants and profiteers in leather, at worst a cultural association of psychopaths" whether it was feasible, or even morally justified, to make art at all. The catastrophic effects of the war had shattered everyone's faith in a rational and peaceful future. A civilization that had condoned such inhumanities did not deserve the conciliations of art: it had lost its credibility. And so the public was baited with meaningless, aggressively absurd objects--white-haired revolvers, Lesbian sardines, vaccinated bread, and flashes of lightning under fourteen years old. The Dadaists and Surrealists wished to infiltrate a disturbed world, in order to destroy all its existing patterns, all its accumulated truth, however compulsive and authoritative.


http://www.rowan.edu/philosop/clowney/A ... ablikb.htm

I loved that so called decadent art of the Weimar Republic. Everybody working so hard to bring that government donwn, the communists, labor, the fascists, considering what followe it did not seem so bad.

She talking about these times we have just lived through, I guess she means the art world? I don't see much impact in my world, well commercial art, yeah, that is the art of the post modern world/

well another day
another ten bucks from the rose water foundation
and another inane spew about art

gone gone gone
somebody shove me in the shallow end before I get tooo deep

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sorry boho
for all the rambling.
I will pick up the Naked and The Dead and read a couple of pages in his honor. I may actually finish it.
.

[Totenkopf]

Abbie H-mann sucked. Even an insult to something like responsible progressive politics. About the only thang more nauseating than the nazis are, like the millions of deaths attributable to communism. Forget PoMo, read some history about Mao and Stalin. And Marx hisself, no pal of the 3rd world, CALLED for the liquidation of reactionaries.

[stilltrucking]

Yeah that is a good idea professor, but where to begin reading history?

Hoffman working with the homeless in DC, it did him in. ANother suicide angel.


Not sure if it was him or Jerry Rubin that showed up at the HUAC dressed as Santa Claus. Rubing doing all right I think. Probably a wall street broker or a resident scholar at a neo con think tank.

I like making up history. Much more fun than reading it.

"There would be no history if not for ignorance." I wonder if I just made that quote up or am I stealing it?

This period we have just lived through the past hundred years or so, if anybody keeping count it must have been the bloodiest in history.

[jimboloco]

why did abie H suck?
one good reason?
he was pissed that he had hemmorhoids
he energised the anti-establishment movement
he was harmless
as far as the commies goeth
right joe stalin sucked
so did the cultural revolution
in china
yes
but peasant revolutions were evolving in vietnam even before the french arrived
which is one reason the french were so successful
because they reinforced the pre-existing mandarin heirarchy
which was the same aristocratic pyramidal structure that has existed
since the evolution from tribal into "civilized" states thru the feudal system

so Po Mo is something, an aesthetic, that embraces the spiritual with the natural
not bad considering the industrial revolution has either been about
capitalism or state socialism with the competing ideologies and wars

poor abbie h

[e_dog]

so Po Mo is something, an aesthetic, that embraces the spiritual with the natural

no, whatever PoMo is
it is definitely not something

it is ten things, all different, none of them Nazified as stilltru' misleadingly suggests with his Heidegger-comment.

PoMo is irrelevant to this discussion. Except that many postmodernists, like Totenkopf, are anticommunist. POOR MISGUIDED SOULS, THEY.

Nazi genocide much different, worse thing, than Stalinist or Chinese atrocities. Not all killings are the same, so numbers don't count. This ain't to defend Stalin; I would never defend a Fascist, even one that claims like Stalin to be a Communist. But Hitler much worse. That's undeniable.