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Is Voting, even for a Democrat, Complicity?

Posted: December 17th, 2007, 6:59 pm
by e_dog
The Dems have been spineless supporters of Bush. So, i ask, is voting for them not complicity for the whole system? They won't stop the war, put the criminals like Cheney in jail. So, why endorse the System? Voting is puttin' a stampe o approval on the criminal US Empire. Don't Vote! It's your civic duty -- to abstain from participate in the Evil Impire.

As Bush puts it, wisely allegorizing oil politics as steroid-y "baseball,"
President Bush: “I think it’s best that all of us not jump to any conclusions on individual players’ name, but we can jump to this conclusion: that steroids have sullied the game, and players and the owners must take the Mitchell report seriously. I’m confident they will. And my hope is that this report is a part of putting the steroid era of baseball behind us.”
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/17/headlines

Posted: December 17th, 2007, 9:48 pm
by mnaz
But didn't they try to get bills that included troop drawdowns passed through both houses and past the Prez, but to no avail since they don't have the votes to override the veto? The Senate is the problem I think... only a razor thin Dem edge there. Iraq is the GOP's war (illegal military occupation) now more than ever ('tho I realize many clueless Dems let themselves get suckered into that thing way back in late '02)... Speaking of Iraq, why is it that we hardly hear anything about what's going on over there these days?

As far as puttin' criminals like Cheney on trial... well, ya gotta point there. Why did they "take impeachment off the table"? Wrong.

Posted: December 17th, 2007, 10:16 pm
by e_dog
ah, but they's still fundin' da War.

Not one red cent till ths war endz.

the Dems is cowherds. Bush can veto a drawdown bill, not hurtin' the troops but the minut the Dems tryin' bring em home, they's not supprtin' da troopz. bullshite.

Bush is a murderer. the Dems are aidin n abetting him. F'in' Dems is punkz.

Posted: December 19th, 2007, 10:29 pm
by e_dog
It's not Bush's War anymore. Its the Dems'. they have tha moneybagz and they doi nothing but continue to fund the war. Forget this blackmail 'bout supportin' tha troopz, to fund the war is criminal, and criminally insane. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gboZHMKOc4

ENDPIRE.

Posted: December 21st, 2007, 10:40 pm
by mnaz
It's Bush & GOP dittohead's war because they are the ones keeping the troops in Iraq. Demz don't have the votes to bring 'em home. You want them just to cut off the money?

Posted: December 22nd, 2007, 8:17 am
by e_dog
Yes.

That's stupid blackmail. Don't fund it. Is Bush really gonna keep em their without funds, blaming the Dems? It's a game of chicken, and the Dems lose. The truth is, yes, if the funding disappears, war over. Everybody comes home. Very simple. Congress has the money. The Dems don't do that, 'cause they don't have the ballz to stand up to Bush, so they do 'is bidding. They are complicit, accomplices to a criminal war. Democrats are Bush lackeys, without qualification.

Put Nancy Pellousey in the Hague, alongside Bush.

Posted: December 22nd, 2007, 6:07 pm
by jimboloco
well in a way, the dems are saying that they won't be able to end the war unless they take the white house
and control congress
but they are not courageous enough to un-fund the war

but i will votre democrat notboycott or third party
because i want to see how many votes the repub;licans will steal this time with their machine manipulations

anything negative is possible

hopefully pelosi will be challenged by that gold star mom
remember?

like we said before
get the dems in the white house then critique the heck outa them
no one to blame than

Posted: December 22nd, 2007, 11:56 pm
by e_dog
Cindy Sheman can't run because her voice makes cats fir stand on end and dogs run away.

But she gots da morale 'thority.



Republicans are worse than shit. Democrats are not.

Posted: December 23rd, 2007, 7:42 am
by Dave The Dov
Let's have everyone vote from themselves and see what happens!!!! :D
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government bailout

Posted: December 24th, 2007, 2:55 am
by e_dog
What happens?

The Republicans steal the elections by fixing the machines for voting.

Posted: December 24th, 2007, 12:30 pm
by jimboloco
I agree
It's gonna be McCain/Huckabee
and they very well may win

I spoke with a clean cut kid working in a Disney toy store who told me he likes McCain

I embarrased my wife when I told him, "He don't know his ass from a hole in the ground. I am a Nam Vet and we helped bring him home!" The kid's eyes went wide, I walked away muttering.

Next time I'll be cooler.

Yes I can see it coming.

It would be immoral to not vote against those chumps/

Posted: December 24th, 2007, 8:34 pm
by e_dog
Be careful you may run afoul of Disney's 'no (anti-)war politics inn our stores' policy.

Posted: December 25th, 2007, 9:44 pm
by jimboloco
I see folks of all stripes there

anyhoo
the workers are unionised

Posted: December 27th, 2007, 9:52 am
by jimboloco
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http://www.jou.ufl.edu/pubs/onb/F04/8.htm
this was emailed to me as scott's winter solstice article
not sure if it was published or printed in local gainsville paper
but here it is compliments of the vets for peace network
My patriotism has been questioned because of my work for Peace and Justice; this has caused me to think about what†patriotism means. To many, it means to love one’s country, but what does that mean? Do I love my country? Why? What makes my country worth loving more than any other country?

For me the answer is simple; it’s our Constitution that makes our country worth loving.
The rights we are†guaranteed†make our country special.

When I was in the Marine Corps, I took an oath to defend the Constitution against all threats†foreign†and domestic. I take that oath very seriously; I did not un-take†that oath when I got out of the Marine Corps.

As I look at what has happened to my country over the last seven years, I am blown away by how much destruction has been done to our Constitution and how little outrage there is coming from the public. If another country were trying to take away our rights, people would be fighting mad. I can’t figure out why there is so much complacency as our government subverts our Constitution.

In World War II, the “Greatest Generation” fought to save our way of life. We fought against the idea that any country has the right to†preemptively†attack another country.
We fought†against the ideas that “might makes right,” “the ends justify the means,” and some people do not deserve human rights. Now my country stands for all†these ideas. And to some, that is patriotic.

My government has started an illegal war with lies, and now argues that†torture†is okay, spies on the public†illegally†without warrant, does away with due process, and kidnaps†people all over the world.

Where are the checks and balances? Our Supreme Court protects these violations by ruling that considerations in the name of national security†come before the Constitution. Well, I’ve got news for them. There can be no national security without the Constitution.

Many†believe†that it’s the Republicans’ fault, but you would have to be more than blind not to see that the Democrats are partners in these crimes; they control both the funding and the agenda. They argue that they don’t have enough votes to stop a†filibuster.
What a total load of crap. They control the agenda; if they don’t put funding for these crimes on the agenda, no one can filibuster or veto.

Our Constitution is being destroyed by a criminal conspiracy of lies, deceit, and dereliction.

What are we going to do about it? I don’t have all of the answers, but I’ve got some.

1) If you are currently serving in the military, it is your Duty, Obligation and Responsibility to disobey an unlawful order. This war is in violation of international†treaties†that the US is party to. That makes any order to deploy to or participate in Iraq an illegal order that must be disobeyed. We†executed†German and†Japanese†soldiers in WWII for obeying unlawful orders.

2) Under the “No Child Left Behind” Act, every high school is required to release students’ personal information to military recruiters or lose federal funding. The parents of children can sign an “opt-out form” to keep their personal information private.
Sign those forms. Demand that the School Board notify parents and students of this policy†in the Code of Student Conduct book†and mail the forms to the parents at the beginning of†every school year.

3) I am a proud Marine and there is good that can come out of military service. The problem is†that presently there are criminals in charge of the military and they are not being responsible with the lives of our troops. As long as these criminals are willing to†expend†the lives of our military†unnecessarily,†it does not make sense to give them our children. Right now, the military is not a good or a smart choice.

†4) We, the people, are the highest†authority†in the United States of America.
The president and the men and women who serve in the US Congress and on the Supreme Court are our employees. It is our job to control what they do in our name and with our money. We need to start†doing our job.

5) We must not allow our federal representatives to come to town without our being there to make sure that they know we want an end to all of this. No†“business†as usual” for these people who have been a party to this.

6) We must tell Speaker Pelosi to take “subversion of the Constitution” off of the table and put “impeachment” on.

7) We must refuse to vote for anyone who voted for this war or voted to fund even one penny of it. Period.
8) We must understand that loyalty should be given to†the Constitution, not to a political party.

9) We must let our government know that under-funding the Veterans Administration is an injustice to veterans and not patriotic under any definition.

I am a patriotic citizen, but I will never be so blindly patriotic that I act like the patriotic German citizens of WWII.

“The best way to honor Veterans is to learn from their†sacrifices.”

- Veterans for Peace
this was written by Scott Camilfrom Gainsville Florida
He was a Marine in Vietnam, a Phoenix program participant

also Winter Soldier testifier
was tried as part of the Gainsville Eight for trumped charges
to disrupt the Republican Convention in 1972 in Miami Beach

now does counselling with the GI Rights Hotline

guess that underlines this conversation, enuh?

Posted: December 28th, 2007, 3:24 am
by e_dog
Ecuador asked for militry basis in Floridah!

inexchange fer their continued Amerikan base n S.Am'rika.