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letter to nation/letter to vietnam

Post by jimboloco » February 7th, 2008, 9:00 pm

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080211/roasa
During the trial of Father Nguyen Van Ly, a priest from Hue who helped Do Nam Hai draft the 8406 petition, the foreign press watched on closed-circuit TV as a security officer covered the defendant's mouth when he attempted to shout anti-Communist slogans. This image of Father Ly forcibly muzzled, , shown on news outlets around the world, has become a rallying point for the movement.


April of 2006. A group of dissidents including Do Nam Hai drafted two pro-democracy manifestos and posted them online.


there were these two letters first, that were unfortunately one-sided, blind eyed and partican. so i, j loco, renegade nadamucho, have spoken, er
Web Letters | Continuously Published Reader Mail
Letter From Vietnam, summation"
Dustin Roasa | As Vietnam becomes a player in world trade, its human rights record and treatment of dissidents come under increased scrutiny. The world--and the US in particular--needs to do more.

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02/07/2008 @ 11:13am

While I never assume to speak on behalf of my brethren in the antiwar veterans' movement, I must also share the fact that within these groups there is a diversity of opinion. My own insight continues to evolve. There is always an impulse to justify one's actions, even among those of us who broke away from the mainstream and joined the opposition during the Vietnam War era.

I am sure that a factual reporting of problems faced by dissenters inside Vietnam is not "egregious." Let the facts speak for themselves. An objective assessment would include the tragic use of military power against the people of Southeast Asia, as well as the understanding that communist governments are authoritarian. We could have found a better way, yes. The Vietnam War was unnecessary, yes. But being in denial about any authoritarian tendencies is also not an effective posturing.

I served in Vietnam, I protested the war vehemently, venomously, with a fierce anger. I also know that I am against authoritarian regimes that commit dissenters to abuse.


J W
Vets for Peace/Vietnam Vets Against the War
St. Petersburg, FLorida
02/04/2008 @ 05:01am


Maybe if this piece had been published in the 1950s and 1960s its naïveté would have been overlooked and pardoned. But today? Still, I found it fascinating and frightening that an American writing in a supposedly progressive journal would adopt such a righteous tone when criticizing another country for running "show trials" and its governing class for hogging the economic cake. This from a country that presided over Abu Ghraib and still presides over Guantánamo Bay. Having just visited Vietnam, I can report to your readers that for the first time in a long while the Vietnamese people are happy because they have food on the table and the freedom to live from fear of US sanctions and bombs. I think the US has done enough in Vietnam--and it's time The Nation show the people there some respect and stop publishing such egregious rubbish.


Bui Nhat Minh

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
02/02/2008 @ 12:15am

I'm sorry. The idea that the United States is in a position of moral superiority to the present political leadership of Vietnam is farcical in the extreme. I am an American living in Vietnam and, while I have no illusions about political realities here, I find it nauseating to think that the present American Administration, which infiltrates Quaker peace groups and is responsible for the death of a million people in Iraq, would presume to censure the Vietnamese government over matters of democracy and religious freedom!

Virginia Lockett
www.steadyfootsteps.org
Da Nang, Vietnam
Dear Virginia,
I was moved to write you after reading and responding to your web-letter in The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/bletters/20080211/roasa
in which you left your website. So I am emailing you to let you know how much I appreciate the work that you are doing in Vietnam. You are the future, you know, creating islands of goodwill, which could someday, become bases of goodwill, trannslated and changed. I did not find this article to be aa affirmation of America's superiority, but rather, a look into Vietnam's political dissenting situation.
Take care, mind the light,
J Loco
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Post by Arcadia » February 11th, 2008, 11:42 am

speak your mind and also be kind it´s really an art (everywhere) but specially in politic forums!. Good job!!!!!! :)

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Post by jimboloco » February 11th, 2008, 11:50 am

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is this "egregious" reporting?
this could be a fascist regime as well.
some progressives are noticeably closed minded when it comes to being objective about left-wing oppressive regimes.

vietnam is still healing from a fierce struggle and the pro-democracy efforts are a pert of that healing.
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Post by Arcadia » February 11th, 2008, 12:14 pm

some progressives are noticeably closed minded when it comes to being objective about left-wing oppressive regimes. yes, it´s absolutely true.

I´m not a Vietnam specialist: I only read Life´s magazines from the sixties, Revolutionary´s magazines from the seventies, saw multiple films about Vietnam, read Ron Kovics´s book, saw "The killing fields" about Camboya with the beautiful imagine end, read some geographic encyclopedias, read a book about oil in Vietnam as a possible/sure cause of USA invation, read about cold war, napalm and orange agent effects... I guess you know about that more than I!! :wink:

It´s good to be informed about other parts of the world but I observe that sometimes latinoamerica and its problems don´t leave us too much energies for something else. Last summer for example, I also realized talking with a family from Angola that I had no idea about Africa politics nowadays. It was great to talk with them!!

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Post by jimboloco » February 11th, 2008, 12:22 pm

Now I dig Chabez telling Exxon to lay off seizing CITGO assets inside Amerika, and I always buy CITGO, and yeah,they can play hardball with USA it's OK, Latin America is the hope for our country aas well, the third world emerging.

The communist Vietnamese Army is who and what stopped the Khmer Rouge. Make no mistake about it. They got a whole lot more pros than cons, and I would be a supporter, overall.

You read well, a teacher for sure.
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