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let´s see all the sides of human rights (it´s the time)

Posted: November 24th, 2008, 12:55 pm
by Arcadia
it´s more or less what these two articles are about: first one about the idea of lessen the age for penalty (in the midst of lots of criminal news and denuncias), the other about young people "bands" violence in the neighborhood of my school and the movilization of people and ONGs living there trying to build a constructive answer for that (we worked this year also in the school with the parents and the kids around that, but oddly we knew first about the asamblea thanks the newspaper, that´s say something! :roll: I hope we can also participate of this iniciative from our institution soon!). See:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/socie ... 11-22.html

http://www.lacapital.com.ar/contenidos/ ... _0012.html

Posted: November 26th, 2008, 12:19 pm
by mtmynd
Arcadia... Será un estómago lleno, un aprendizaje de la mente y un amante de la familia eliminar la violencia que está pasando con los jóvenes en su país? O sus mentes están tan condicionados desde su nacimiento por el descuido que puede ser imposible de cambiar sus rutas a una que no es anti-social? Dos grandes cuestiones que deben abordarse, piensas?


[translation: Will a full stomach, a learning mind and a loving family eliminate the violence that is going on with the youth in your country? Or are their minds so conditioned since birth by neglect that it may be impossible to change their paths to one that is not anti-social? Two big questions that need to be addressed, piensas?]

Posted: November 27th, 2008, 12:39 pm
by Arcadia
Will a full stomach, a learning mind and a loving family eliminate the violence that is going on with the youth in your country? I think it would help but in some casos that conditions sounds like science fiction.

Or are their minds so conditioned since birth by neglect that it may be impossible to change their paths to one that is not anti-social? there is always space for change. But it´s very difficult to see real change possibility if the rest of the society works as it works until now. Only few kids I work with are bordering heavy violence and it´s very difficult to know how to act daily (being part of an education institution) with them beyond what you think. It´s a road full of contradictions, I also hope to learn in it! :shock: :)

In the caso of my school´s neighborhood, it´s almost logic that the kids have pertenencia problems and hard discrimination issues between themselves: ten years ago the population was 1/4 of the actual, there was translados of people living in poorest neighborhoods (villas) of different zones of the city to this place thanks the construction of (tiny) popular-houses by the government.

I talked with the seventh grade kids today about the asamblea and only one knew something was going on. It´s a beginning, also the meetings we made in the school when after the middle of the year the convivencia was more difficult than usual.

gracias for reading, Cecil!

Some (somehow) related articles:

a recent study about discrimination in my country:

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/socie ... 11-26.html

an historieta published this peculiar year in pagina/12 by Rep ... a new character... "el Culpo" talking with an old character, Gaspar (el revolú... for revolutionary and reboludo... in elegant english super-stupid) :roll: :lol:

http://www.miguelrep.blogspot.com/2008/ ... magen.html

Posted: December 3rd, 2008, 1:10 pm
by Arcadia
today with the bus from southwest to downtown we crossed this:

http://www.lacapital.com.ar/contenidos/ ... _0043.html

we could see half block from where the bus was stucked (and then continue in deviation) ambulances, injured? people in the ground, shouts, shots and people and police running. No idea of what was happening, I thought it was something in relation with construction sindicatos since there was people with cascos, but now I know there were from lácteos (milk) sindicatos. The "big ones" of the CGT once again... sindicatos?against sindicatos? what a help in these times, how sad...

Posted: December 9th, 2008, 11:56 am
by Arcadia
I listened the narrative of the facts by the lácteos sindicatos´s leader in the radio some days ago: it was (literal) something like this: "la batalla campal duró 45'... el combate se desarrolló en una superficie de dos cuadras por dos cuadras... llegó un momento en que peleábamos todos contra todos no sabíamos a quién teníamos adelante..." (the camp battle remains? 45'... the combat developed in 2 blocks x 2 blocks area.. there was a time where the fight was everybody against everybody, we didn´t know who was in front of us...). It surprised me.

Posted: December 9th, 2008, 1:24 pm
by stilltrucking
I have not been able to translate any of it. I will try again. Something about milk prices?

We have a milk cartel in the USA, about ten years ago they forced all the small dairies out of bizness.


Not to worry
we will be spreading our american values your way
any day now. :roll:

Posted: December 9th, 2008, 1:34 pm
by stilltrucking
Please be careful,
Events in the morning. Before the act of repudiation to the beating suffered last week, when 300 people apparently belonging to the national union tied to Hugo Moyano entered the plant and assaulted a 20 laborers, Victor Vega, secretary of the local Workers' Association The Dairy Industry of the Republic of Argentina, said that "the company allowed entry to these 300 people who brutally beat to the representatives of workers and other employees of the establishment common sympathized with those who were being beaten," he explained.

google translation

We got a situation in Chicago going on. Bank of America got 25 billion dollars in the bailout. But they are not interested in bailing out anybody but themselves it seems. A factory shut down because they cancelled their credit.

Workers at Republic Windows continue sit-in after company closes
Bank, citing sharp downturn in business, canceled company's line of credit
By Gerry Smith | Tribune reporter
December 7, 2008
Carrying signs that read "Bank of America: Don't Steal Christmas," workers at a North Side manufacturer continued their protest Saturday after the company shut its doors on three days' notice because the bank canceled its line of credit.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 7083.story

Posted: December 10th, 2008, 4:03 pm
by Arcadia
gracias s-t, I also don´t know exactly what´s happening in that sindicato and the milk businesses here. Last news I had was that Sancor were in risk to shut its doors a year? ago until business with Venezuela appear to help the situation. But I saw the battle :shock:

25 years of democracy return here today, the magic of semi-round fechas: I´ve been listening radio programmes during these days about it. Some emotive, some interesting, some funny, some unbelievable! :lol:
No idea though if there are some festejos in the city (I´m busy with today´s 3 years old of my sobrina Emilia :D )

Posted: December 10th, 2008, 5:37 pm
by UMBERTO UMBERTO
During the Reagan Era here, Arcadia, as you probably know, Ron and the English Brunhilde,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunhilda_of_Austrasia

Margaret Thatcher, pursued what was known to conservatives as the "tickle-down" theory. A fine cartoonist showed the two "leaders" drinking champagne, spilling it, and a few drops from the table dripping on the poor who sat beneath, dying of thirst and trying to dampen their lips with drops of the rich man's drink.

Obama doesn't exactly come from the underclass, but his ethnic and racial ( half of him, anyway) group do, and I hope that will help the focus here in the US a bit.

After being a rabid fan of Chavez for a while, I've read some disappointing stories of authoritarian behavior about him.

I have a good friend in La Argentina-- an artist-- who has little good to say about the way the economy is a large mystery in Buenos Aires, where he lives.

Leading? Showing a good example?-- we need an "ejemplo" we can really trust and believe -- all of us, north and south.


Thanks for the great articles and your invaluable point of view.


UU (" the Z")

Posted: December 13th, 2008, 7:54 am
by Arcadia
oh.. Brunhild! :lol:

After being a rabid fan of Chavez... you were?... I can never reached that point! :lol:

and yeah, Buenos Aires remains misteriosa, it seems... :roll:

Leading? Showing a good example?-- we need an "ejemplo" we can really trust and believe -- all of us, north and south. yeah, maybe we are in a neverending problem, maybe not.

all our points of view and presence-in-absence are invaluable mr. UU!!! gracias for reading, answering & bienvenido!!!!! :D


(s-t: I read your deleted post yesterday but I didn´t have time to answer: don´t worry, I don´t drive buses -literally- as far as I know! :) I´m only a passenger)