General Douglas McArthur & Japanese Sign Final Surrender

[mtmynd]

This is an actual film made of the surrender ceremony of the Japs to McArthur in Tokyo Bay on Sunday, September 2, 1945. Actual voice of the General.. Never been shown to the general public before.

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[stilltrucking]

He did not stand on ceremony. I saw another documentary about a Japanese surrender to the British in China. Man those limeys knew how to stage a surrender. They did the whole bit in full military regalia and they made the Jap military leaders surrender their swords. I read an opinion piece ridiculing MacArthur's ceremony saying if you did not hear the reading of the text you could not tell who was surrendering to who.

I was shocked the first time I heard a world war two vet refer to him as "Dug out Doug" Why were all those planes still on the ground unarmed and sitting ducks how many hours after pearl harbor?

[mtmynd]

Why were all those planes still on the ground unarmed and sitting ducks how many hours after pearl harbor?

Kermit A. Tyler, officer who ignored radar warning of Pearl Harbor raid, dies

"Don't worry about it."

Those words, which he uttered on a peaceful Sunday morning in 1941 on the Hawaiian island of Oahu, would haunt Kermit A. Tyler for the rest of his life.

Tyler was the Army Air Forces' first lieutenant on temporary duty at Fort Shafter's radar information center on the morning of Dec. 7, 1941, when a radar operator on the northern tip of the island reported that he and another private were seeing an unusually large "blip" on their radar screen, indicating a large number of aircraft about 132 miles away and fast approaching.

"Don't worry about it," Tyler told the radar operator, thinking it was a flight of U.S. B-17 bombers that was due in from the mainland.

Instead, the blip on the radar screen was the first wave of more than 180 Japanese fighters, torpedo bombers, dive bombers and horizontal bombers whose surprise attack on Pearl Harbor and the island's main airfields shortly before 8 a.m. plunged the United States into World War II.

"I wake up at nights sometimes and think about it," Tyler said in a 2007 interview with The Newark Star-Ledger. "But I don't feel guilty. I did all I could that morning."

[stilltrucking]

Not the planes in Pearl Harbor . Sorry I did not make that clear, I meant the planes on the ground at Clark Field in the Phillipines.

At about 1145, according to Col. Alexander H. Campbell, the aircraft warning officer, a warning message went out to Clark Field by teletype. If the message did not get through, as is frequently asserted, this fact was not know to the officers in the plotting room at Nielson. It is asserted also that an attempt to warn the field by radio over the Far East Air Force net was made, but with no success. The reason for this failure can only be guessed. Col. James V. Colier, a G-3 officer in USAFFE headquarters, later stated, "The radio operator had left his station to go to lunch," and another source states, "Radio reception was drowned by static which the Japanese probably caused by systematic jamming of the frequencies."[35] Apparently other available means of communication, such as the long distance telephone lines, telegraph, and the command radio net to Fort Stotsenburg, were not used or thought of. Colonel Campbell did get a telephone message through to Clark Field and talked with an unknown junior officer there. This officer intended, said Campbell, to give the base commander or the operations officer the message at the earliest opportunity.[36]

Meanwhile, Colonel George at Nielson had dispersed his fighters to meet the attack. The 34th Squadron was ordered to cover Clark Field; the 17th, the Bataan peninsula; and the 21st, the Manila area. The 3d Squadron at Iba was dispatched to intercept a reported enemy formation over the Sought China Sea.[37] At Clark Field, two squadrons of B-17s and the 20th Pursuit Squadron were still on the ground. Sometime shortly before 1145 the fighters were ordered aloft as soon as refueling was completed to cover their own base.[38]

The 3d Pursuit Squadron took off from Iba to intercept the enemy flight over the South China Sea. A thick haze of dust prevented the 34th at Del Carmen from taking off, and at 1215 the 20th Pursuit Squadron at Clark, whose planes had just completed refueling, made ready to take off.[39]

At that moment the first formation of Japanese bombers appeared over Clark

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA ... -PI-5.html

[jimboloco]

i know a phillipino guy
he says when the japanese knew they were going to surrender
they went on a killing spree
they shot his grandfather as he was crossing a stream
his grandmother was two months pregnant with his father

my grandmother was engaged to a west point army officer
who was killed in ww1
she married my grandfather, a 90 day wonder army officer

he's alive in spite of war
i'm alive because of war
and in spite of two more wars

i don't surrender
i just keep hoping for growth
and character development

[Steve Plonk]

What an awesome newsreel of the speeches during the Japanese surrender!

I saw McArthur once when I was riding on my Dad's back when he was taking a movie of him. My Dad was on McArthur's staff in Tokyo during the occupation of Japan. My Dad also helped McArthur and his staff plan the Inchon Landing during the Korean War. Dad won a medal for that battle for his logistics ideas and plans.

Seeing McArthur was one of my earliest childhood memories. I didn't remember it until I saw the actual home movie and asked my Dad about it. He was amazed & amused because I wasn't even two years old at the time. One other memory is the sound of a gong in the Temple at Kyoto. Primal memories! ?

[mnaz]

Interesting.

If only there were such a thing as a final surrender.

[mtmynd]

Hi, Steve... glad you enjoyed this bit of history.

Interesting that your Dad served with McArthur in Japan. My own father also worked with McArthur there in the Daichi Bldg. Small world. My mother and my siblings and I joined him when 'the coast was clear' and housing was available. We lived in Tokyo.

[tinkerjack]

Interesting.

If only there were such a thing as a final surrender.

[mtmynd]

finality signals (a kind of) death doesn't it?

[tinkerjack]

I am waiting to hear what mnaz has to say about it.
But I don't see it as death


In the meantime
I am putting my faith in the invisible hand of marketplace to redesign our genome.
I have faith in the American Association of Chemical Manufactures the pharmaceutical manufacturers, their lobbyists and the corporate hacks running the EPA.

Yes Virginia there is a Santa Claus and
one day there will be an end to war. Thanks to industry. It will be the advent of a brave new world of chemically castrated men.
and a non-warlike, matriarchal society



I am putting the power of paranoia to work for peace and clean water. Like the guy on litkicks said a long time ago "nothing wrong with being paranoid if you are paranoid" Headburner?



http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/06 ... as_a_l.php

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthc ... girls.html

Sorry to wander off topic like this.
I surrender. Unilaterally and unconditionally.
Have you noticed that wars never seem to end in surrender anymore? We don't stand on ceremony anymore.

[the mingo]

Anymore there is no surrender because there is no victory. Victory has been taken completely off the table or any talk of victory. Hence no surrender. Military strategists speak in terms of "mission success" or "mission unsuccessful" or "Mission Accomplished!". Talk of war is done in business terms these days. To hear victory talk you have to go back to World War Two. Last time anyone had their eye on the ball. Last time anyone died or was wounded or mutilated for victory. Today all anyone dies for is for the ambiguity of "success".

[stilltrucking]

McArthur was looking for victory in Korea. They say that is why Truman fired him. Victory at what cost? A Pyrrhic victory?

I think it all went to shit when they changed the name of the War Department to the DOD.

I don't know anymore mingo. Sometimes I talk to a Vietnam vet who says we could have won in Vietnam. I never ask "Won what?" What would victory in Vietnam have looked like?

Yes we have not had a good Victory in a long long time. I guess Operation Urgent Fury, in 1983 against Granada was our last victory.