Remembering Hiroshima......

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Remembering Hiroshima......

Post by hester_prynne » August 6th, 2005, 2:27 pm

While on my Gig in Japan several years ago, I of course made it a point to visit Hiroshima.
I can't believe what I saw there. It was horrible, even so many years after we dropped the bomb there. I'll never forget it.
So how do we remember Hiroshima?
We can remember it all we want, but what, I wonder, what exactly, are we remembering?
How great the destruction we inflicted on innocent people was?
who hoo!

We remember, but we never learn.
We never try to evolve to a better humanity.
It's downright shameful, and it's right in our faces!
Indeed, here in America, the only way to resolve anything that doesn't agree with us, is to KILL KILL KILL!
Go get em big daddy! If they aren't gonna think like us and give us their oil then it's
Operation: Kill forevermore.
We're doin it right now! Only this time, we struck first because God told our Leader to do so?
Indeed, things are getting better, and i'm getting younger.

Remembering Hiroshima.
My heart just plain hurts.....
Silly me, eh?
H 8)

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Post by Traveller13 » August 6th, 2005, 3:26 pm

personally
I think
there isn't one single day throughout the year
when a horrible, heartbreaking tragedy didn't happen

and that if people are so attached to remembering horrible events (kinda twisted isn't it, the pulsion people have to be repelled and yet attracted by morbidity)
they should also remember other events that are useful to remember, and that aren't horrible
otherwise, they might as well make that Horror History Calendar
with a goverment grant
and big investments from medical and psychiatric firms
so that everyone can remember
how horrible the world is

except that horrible events are priviliged in history books
and the news
(weird huh?)
the rest is put aside
as a kid my history teachers always did "the outlines" of a certain epoch
usually, wars and blood
and not
the way people lived
their sense of humor
their values
how they spent their free time
what was 'in' and what was 'out'
social behaviours
so that in the end we have all this heavy stuff in mind, but in the end we don't know anything about history
except that at some point in time people were unhappy
I mean no wonder after that everyone sits in front off their boxes and gobbles up all the news reports like jam

anyway
hiroshima
I never knew what to make out of it
I'll probably never manage to concieve it anyway
[i]~"Open your eyes, and open your eyes again"[/i]

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Post by Doreen Peri » August 6th, 2005, 4:38 pm

Us and Them.

That's the attitude that is the problem with this world.

I can't believe govts are making and hoarding nuclear weapons. Scary. It is. I was scared to death throughout my childhood.

But at least when people were scared and building bomb shelters, they were painfully aware of Hiroshima.

These days, they seem to have forgotten.

Us and Them.

Hest, there is no us and them.

All there is is US. We are all US.

The sooner people accept this, the sooner there will be peace.

There cannot be another Hiroshima.

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Post by stilltrucking » August 6th, 2005, 4:44 pm

shadows
lacy patterned leaves
rhythmic dance on the pavement
brought on by sunlight

by abbehill on Jun 27, 2002 11:00 AM

That was probably the first Haiku I read that really flashed across my synapses. For some reason I thought of those shadows burned into a wall like an atomic snap shot. I thought what a deal, we gave Japan baseball and nuclear cameras, and they gave us Haiku.

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Post by bohonato » August 6th, 2005, 10:25 pm

And yet the US is still developing nuclear technology (RNEP, Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator). Last year funding was cut, but the Bush Regime's new budget once again included it.

Us and Them
And after all we're only ordinary men
Me, and you
God only knows it's not what we would choose to do
Forward he cried from the rear
and the front rank died
And the General sat, as the lines on the map
moved from side to side
Black and Blue
And who knows which is which and who is who
Up and Down
And in the end it's only round and round and round
Haven't you heard it's a battle of words
the poster bearer cried
Listen son, said the man with the gun
There's room for you inside
Down and Out
It can't be helped but there's a lot of it about
With, without
And who'll deny that's what the fightings all about
Get out of the way, it's a busy day
And I've got things on my mind
For want of the price of tea and a slice
The old man died

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Post by Doreen Peri » August 7th, 2005, 1:01 am

I didn't even notice when I typed it that US could be interpreted as the United States... geezzz..

i love pink floyd... that's one of my favorite tunes, bohanato

gotta get my playlist back... i lost 6gigs of music recently.... i do have that one on my itunes... going to go listen to it...

did you ever see "The Wall"? damn it's so awesome!!!


yes, it's so sad that the US tells everybody else to disarm while they continue developing their arsenol...



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Post by bohonato » August 7th, 2005, 9:53 pm

Pink Floyd is one of my favourite bands as well. I never saw The Wall live, but I have the movie. Awesome describes it beautifully.

I have the forlorn hope that Pink Floyd will reunite and tour again. By all accounts Roger Waters and David Gilmour got along fine at Live8. But, maybe it is just wishful thinking.

I am still attempting to understand where the U.S. gets the authority to tell other nations to stop nuclear proliferation while we continue to add to our stockpiles. That reminds me...

In today's Macomb Daily there was the following "guest opinion" by Diana West, a columnist for The Washington Times.

America's disapperaing identity threatens our survival

Will the American identity- the save-the-world American, the quiet American, the ugly American, the generous American, the can-do American- disappear during the long war on Islamic terror?

In the following three quotations of the week, you can see it slipping away, the victim of a debilitating cultural amnesia. This may be pretty tough stuff for the middle of the summer, but that's the way 2005 goes.

The first quotation is a headline: "Poll shows Americans, for first time, divided on use of A-bombs in 1945." According to this Associated Press poll, commissioned to mark the 60th anniversary of the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a historical switch has taken place.

The strong majorities that always supported the use of the A-bomb to end World War II in the Pacific have, for the first time, dwindled to an almost even split, with 48 percent of Americans "strongly" or "somewhat" approving and 47 percent "strongly" or "somewhat" disapproving.

Whether this shift is inspired by plain ignorance or a civilizational death wish, it hardly reflects a robust culture bent on military triumph, let alone survival. In their disapproval of the Truman decision that spared a million American casualties - the projected cost of an invasion of mainland Japan - 47 percent of Americans reveal a lack of will, even in historical terms, not only to prize American lives, but also to support the hard decisions to save them. IF no defeatism exactly, such national torpor, stemming from an unrequited empathy with the enemy, tends to make any victory ambiguous.

Remembering Iraq where, upon liberation, the American flag draping Saddam's toppled statue had to be whisked away in deference to similar, politically correct tendencies. And that was just the beginning.

We muddle through, but the terrible tendencies remain, as revealed in a stunning installment of In the Red Zone, a blog from Iraq by journalist Steven Vincent. Vincent reported from Basra, where he said crooks and corruption are the problem, not terrorism. There, a Gary Cooper-esque U.S. Air Force captain is in charge of awarding contracting jobs of up to $1 million. Vincent's Iraqi friend Layla has her doubts about the bidders: How does the captain know, she asked, that he isn't funneling money toe extremists or religious parties that have put a woman's name on their letterhead to win a bid?

And here goes quotation No. 2: "I certainly hope none of these contracts are going to the wrong people," he replied. "But should we really get involved in choosing one political group over another? I've always believed that we shouldn't project American values onto other cultures - that we should let them be. Who is to say we are right and they are wrong?"

Et tu, Captain America? It's one thing to get this mindless mantra from a Montgomery County public school teacher with rings on his toes and multiculturalism on his agenda. Maybe projecting American values onto certain cultures is a stupid idea, but clearly that's their loss.

Meanwhile, there we are, doling out the dollars. Just listen to Layla: "These religious parties are wrong. look at them, their corruption, the way they treat women. How can you say you cannot judge them? Why shouldn't you apply your own cultural values?"

Why, indeed. Do American values still exist, or have they been re-educated out of existence? Maybe their absence is what explains the insipid mania for Democracy, the process, across the Middle East, regardless of whether terrorists run for office of sharia is the law of the land.

Such non-judgmentalism is everywhere, even informing security, the process, at home.

Consider quotation No. 3, from a New York Times editorial on commuter safety measures, which post 9-11 and the recent terrorist attacks in London - are a brave new way of life. The topic is pretending to search for bombs, which is what we do in post-identity America. "The police officers must be careful not to give the impression that every rider who looks Arab or South Asian is automatically a subject of suspicion. Those who are selected simply because they are carrying packages should be chosen in a way that does not raise fears of racial profiling - by, for example, searching every fifth or 12th person, with the exact sequence chosen at random."

Anything to avoid "fears of racial profiling" - even death by murder-bomber. As the captain said, who's to say? In the exact sequence chosen at random we trust. if we deny their identity long enough, our own will crease to matter.

(end)

The first quotes the important one. Man, that pissed me off when I read it. I once wrote an essay against the decision to drop the A-bombs, and I'm going in search of it. "Plain ignorance" is exactly what Diana West is displaying.

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Post by mtmynd » August 8th, 2005, 9:12 am

Good points one and all -

Let us not forget the horror of Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

Let us not forget the horrors of all horrible things humanity has done to itself. Let us never forget what idiots and greed-mongers, thieves and liars, rapists and fuckheads we all are, for we are all in this stew together, and it is only s/he that steps all over others that will rise to the top of the heap where, unfortunately all the stench also rises. We are seemingly all devos - de-evolving from our goodness into reflections of our mad-made devils, a sure sign of our pleas to some unrealized god to take us away from our own madness. As long as we are told/asked to 'not forget' the evils will continue to resurface.

But how can we 'not forget' all the goodness that we have done? Is goodness more forgettable than evil? Does not goodness imprint our mind with... well, goodness? How so with our evil nature.. when that is imprinted it is branded into our souls... and we tolerate it... tolerate it because we use those horrors as a defense against our weaknesses.

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Post by Glorious Amok » August 8th, 2005, 1:12 pm

don't pacify me with "remember the good"
we need our outrage
without our anger we are useless
as a smiling putty tat figurine on some dusty windowsill.

only with our anger
can we demand justice for those
both outside and within our own countries
who were destroyed
by racism, ignorance, and disgustingly hollow acts of violence
that continue to reverberate
on nothing less than a global level.

don't ever let me forget
that my middle finger is my best friend.
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Post by mtmynd » August 8th, 2005, 1:29 pm

psssst... kari - are you feeling a bit edgy today..? hard hitting sentiments you wrote there... whoa!

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Post by Glorious Amok » August 8th, 2005, 1:59 pm

nah, cec .... nuclear war makes me feel edgy on any old day. it just has this way of smudging even the good ones.

smudging... heh ... how's that for a passive description of nuclear war?? it smudges things.
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Post by mtmynd » August 8th, 2005, 2:14 pm

smudge... yeah, an appropriate sound, anyway.. 'smudge'... what a nuclear (new clear?) bomb would certainly do - smudge the joint! hah!

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Post by mnaz » August 8th, 2005, 2:15 pm

Yes, Glorious!.... I couldn't have said it better.




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Post by diesel dyke » August 8th, 2005, 3:39 pm

listening to jimbo post about viet nam killer turned buddhist monk he had a little bit about a woman with a medalian peace symbol in the soft part of her neck, long hippy see through dress smiling he thought she was going to kiss him, she spit on him then he went on to talk about the peace protesters against the war, the crazies in the seventies. the ones after the short hairs were forched out, the quantum physics professors

i could not disagree with youm mmore about anger
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Post by Glorious Amok » August 8th, 2005, 4:45 pm

i couldn't disagree more about "smudge" being the apropriate sound of nuclear war.

i'm not sure there is a typewritten word that could adequately describe that sound. we should ask a survivor of Hiroshima... what did it sound like?

i'm betting "smudge" would not be their answer.
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