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LATimes: This isn't the real America by Jimmy Carter

Posted: November 16th, 2005, 2:22 pm
by whimsicaldeb
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/com ... 4514.story

November 14, 2005
latimes.com : Opinion : Commentary

This isn't the real America
By Jimmy Carter, JIMMY CARTER was the 39th president of the United States. His newest book is "Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis," published this month by Simon & Schuster.

IN RECENT YEARS, I have become increasingly concerned by a host of radical government policies that now threaten many basic principles espoused by all previous administrations, Democratic and Republican.

These include the rudimentary American commitment to peace, economic and social justice, civil liberties, our environment and human rights.

Also endangered are our historic commitments to providing citizens with truthful information, treating dissenting voices and beliefs with respect, state and local autonomy and fiscal responsibility.

At the same time, our political leaders have declared independence from the restraints of international organizations and have disavowed long-standing global agreements — including agreements on nuclear arms, control of biological weapons and the international system of justice.

Instead of our tradition of espousing peace as a national priority unless our security is directly threatened, we have proclaimed a policy of "preemptive war," an unabridged right to attack other nations unilaterally to change an unsavory regime or for other purposes. When there are serious differences with other nations, we brand them as international pariahs and refuse to permit direct discussions to resolve disputes.

Regardless of the costs, there are determined efforts by top U.S. leaders to exert American imperial dominance throughout the world.

These revolutionary policies have been orchestrated by those who believe that our nation's tremendous power and influence should not be internationally constrained. Even with our troops involved in combat and America facing the threat of additional terrorist attacks, our declaration of "You are either with us or against us!" has replaced the forming of alliances based on a clear comprehension of mutual interests, including the threat of terrorism.

Another disturbing realization is that, unlike during other times of national crisis, the burden of conflict is now concentrated exclusively on the few heroic men and women sent back repeatedly to fight in the quagmire of Iraq. The rest of our nation has not been asked to make any sacrifice, and every effort has been made to conceal or minimize public awareness of casualties.

Instead of cherishing our role as the great champion of human rights, we now find civil liberties and personal privacy grossly violated under some extreme provisions of the Patriot Act.

Of even greater concern is that the U.S. has repudiated the Geneva accords and espoused the use of torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, and secretly through proxy regimes elsewhere with the so-called extraordinary rendition program. It is embarrassing to see the president and vice president insisting that the CIA should be free to perpetrate "cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment" on people in U.S. custody.

Instead of reducing America's reliance on nuclear weapons and their further proliferation, we have insisted on our right (and that of others) to retain our arsenals, expand them, and therefore abrogate or derogate almost all nuclear arms control agreements negotiated during the last 50 years. We have now become a prime culprit in global nuclear proliferation. America also has abandoned the prohibition of "first use" of nuclear weapons against nonnuclear nations, and is contemplating the previously condemned deployment of weapons in space.

Protection of the environment has fallen by the wayside because of government subservience to political pressure from the oil industry and other powerful lobbying groups. The last five years have brought continued lowering of pollution standards at home and almost universal condemnation of our nation's global environmental policies.

Our government has abandoned fiscal responsibility by unprecedented favors to the rich, while neglecting America's working families. Members of Congress have increased their own pay by $30,000 per year since freezing the minimum wage at $5.15 per hour (the lowest among industrialized nations).

I am extremely concerned by a fundamentalist shift in many houses of worship and in government, as church and state have become increasingly intertwined in ways previously thought unimaginable.

As the world's only superpower, America should be seen as the unswerving champion of peace, freedom and human rights. Our country should be the focal point around which other nations can gather to combat threats to international security and to enhance the quality of our common environment. We should be in the forefront of providing human assistance to people in need.

It is time for the deep and disturbing political divisions within our country to be substantially healed, with Americans united in a common commitment to revive and nourish the historic political and moral values that we have espoused during the last 230 years.

Posted: November 16th, 2005, 5:03 pm
by tinkerjack
Another disturbing realization is that, unlike during other times of national crisis, the burden of conflict is now concentrated exclusively on the few heroic men and women sent back repeatedly to fight in the quagmire of Iraq. The rest of our nation has not been asked to make any sacrifice, and every effort has been made to conceal or minimize public awareness of casualties.
So many veterans that I have met felt betrayed when we pulled out of vietnam.

What the hell can we say to them when we pull out. How do we keep faith with their sacrifices? Just rhetorical questions.

I was hanging out around capital hill during the 1980 election. My girlfriend was a devout feminist, she had no use for Carter. She had an "ABC" bumper sticker on her car. Anybody but Carter. I think he may be one of the worst presidents we have had.
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t is time for the deep and disturbing political divisions within our country to be substantially healed, with Americans united in a common commitment to revive and nourish the historic political and moral values that we have espoused during the last 230 years.
Sounds good. He may be the best ex president we have ever had.

Posted: November 16th, 2005, 5:17 pm
by Zlatko Waterman
You tell 'em, Jimmy!

They're a rotten bunch all right . . .

I shall share this article with others, Deb, and thank you.

The one thing I know just a crumb about in our society is education. While Jimmy Carter doesn't mention education directly or make comparisons with other countries, the US student can be graded medium-poor to poor when compared to the achievement of students in other societies, particularly in public schools.

I have my own version ( based on 33 years in publicly-funded schools as a teacher in four subjects) of why this is so.

When one combines my wife's experience teaching Math, together we have about sixty years of experience in American schools.

We agree perfectly about what should be done to improve American schools and thereby make America great all over again.

Tell the truth, and then act on it to rebuild schools and education.

Banish the exclusive "feel good" approach to everything.

The old "wisdom" was that Japanese students committed suicide at an alarming rate under the pressure they felt to become high achievers ( which they are) in their schools.

The suicide rate among Japanese students is half that of American students.

As far as what needs to be done with the government, sadly enough it appears that 2008 ( and possibly 2006) may be the earliest opportunity this country has to escape the stupidest electoral choice in many, many decades.

Here is a site by a thorough researcher containing many interesting facts about how the US compares to others in education worldwide:

http://www.asbj.com/achievement/aa/aa1.html

Again, thanks for the Jimmy speech , Deb.


--Z

Re: LATimes: This isn't the real America by Jimmy Carter

Posted: November 16th, 2005, 8:12 pm
by mnaz
....rudimentary American commitment to peace, economic and social justice, civil liberties, our environment and human rights.

Also endangered are our historic commitments to providing citizens with truthful information...

Instead of our tradition of espousing peace as a national priority unless our security is directly threatened, we have proclaimed a policy of "preemptive war," an unabridged right to attack other nations unilaterally to change an unsavory regime or for other purposes....

These revolutionary policies have been orchestrated by those who believe that our nation's tremendous power and influence should not be internationally constrained....

Instead of cherishing our role as the great champion of human rights....

It is time for the deep and disturbing political divisions within our country to be substantially healed, with Americans united in a common commitment to revive and nourish the historic political and moral values that we have espoused during the last 230 years.
Well, it is also time to stop supporting toxic regimes to serve our own geopolitical self-interests, as every damn US President has done for many decades now, including Carter. I'm sure many observers around the world probably view the ongoing US losses in Iraq as a sort of trickling return for extremely poor "collective karma". The U.S. greatly contributed to the building of Saddam's monster to begin with.

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I'm uncomfortable with the idea of Carter "championing human rights", considering some of his policies while he was President. While in office, Carter secretly supported Pol Pot's genocidal government (along with China) in its protracted fight against Vietnam. He also backed Indonesia's leader, Gen. Suharto, and Suharto's murderous military dictatorship, following Indonesia's 1975 invasion of East Timor. And Carter also aided and supported Nicaragua's murderous dictator Anastasio Somoza, and after Somoza was ousted by the Sandanistas, the CIA, under Carter's watch, resurrected Somoza's army ("contras") and waged a campaign of selective terror against Nicaragua, aimed at destroying the new government, or at least its desired reforms.

I realize that Carter has done much good for humanity in his time since leaving office, and I commend him greatly for that. Perhaps the wise "old-timers" can justify Carter's Presidential sins in the context of the mother of all Big Picture Excuses, the Cold War. I realize that Carter certainly wasn't the worst offender in toxic US foreign policy, and I realize that the U.S. isn't the only violator of human rights worldwide, nor the worst. But the world will never take the U.S. completely at its word on the topic of "human rights" until the U.S. cleans up its own act on the matter, IMO.... Republican, Democrat, left-right, whatever.

Posted: November 16th, 2005, 8:41 pm
by whimsicaldeb
...the U.S. isn't the only violator of human rights worldwide, nor the worst. But the world will never take the U.S. completely at its word on the topic of "human rights" until the U.S. cleans up its own act on the matter, IMO.... Republican, Democrat, left-right, whatever. ~ mnaz

Well Said mnaz, and I agree.

Z; thanks for the link! another good one, that I passed along.

...I heard that if you stare at your ham and eggs with lust, you have just commited breakfast in your heart. -- tinkerjack

:lol:

Posted: November 16th, 2005, 11:51 pm
by Zlatko Waterman
mnaz:

The US has so many skeletons, some of them named "Carter's", that they don't have enough closets to put them in . . .


--Z

Posted: November 17th, 2005, 1:19 pm
by mtmynd
(Rant or Reply..? I probably should have given this a new topic, but I didn't.)

All this talk of Presidents, past and present, goes to show that given serious shoveling of their backgrounds we find wrong doings, or at least things we (specific we's) don't agree with.

I'm ignorant of the history of U.S. politics in general. Knowing that I would like some feedback on which President most fit the glove of the populace best? Is there or has there ever been a U.S. President that both parties (or more) agreed with at least 60%? Or is that a stupid idea? Is the government of our country doomed to continously be divided in their opinions and actions? Or is this the principle of yin/yang at play here - one side/one opinion against another side/opnion?

If this exchange, better or worse, must go on to favor those that voted the President into office (regardless of party affilliation), then it seems like our country will continue down the path of doubt and confusion, anger and disillusionment. This seems to me (today, anyway) a rather unstable situation (growing ever more divisive daily) that will only weaken a government originally established for all its peoples.

I hear politicians reciting the past actions of their opponents, as if no politician should ever change their mind for fear of being labled 'flip/flop'. Are not our politicians eager to flex their muscles and show the other side that 'they mean business!'..? What the hell is up with our country? We voted these bastards into office, we blast them for their policies, we vote them out and return the sham in different clothes to the same positions.

What type of politics would you prefer to live under? What would be your ideal of as-close-to-a-perfect-government? Would your choice be to the detriment to your neighbor's choice? Who should have the final say-so as to how (a) government should be run... the President, the Senate.. the people, the corporations?

Today I see there is no honesty and openess to our government and quite possibly, never has been. Can it continue? It is like our opinion on not only what 'God' is, but how 'He' should perform - some question why 'God' has done this or that, others feel 'God' is on their side and their side only, and there are those that call upon 'God' to better their material existence, all expenses paid for 'worshipping' their 'God' and 'His' word(s).

Politics certainly has a 'God-like' importance to it... look at the power they wield... and we the voters have given them that power, some for a life-time, others just 4 years, but ulitimately it is 'we the people' that have the final say-so to take the power away from those that abuse it. No politician should ever be in charge of life/death decisions (be it physical, mental or spiritual) that may threaten the whole country, not just the one party that voted them in.

We aspire to be a democratic society, but the opinions of what constitute a democratic society are obviously blurred.

[enough]

Posted: November 17th, 2005, 5:13 pm
by mnaz
I'm tolerant of many things with leadership, if they are even semi-reasonable. But I cannot abide overly predatory, selfish policy, having to do with our environment or with our interactions with the world community. And I cannot abide being bullied and told blatant lies to "justify" policies of endless violence and profiteering. To me, these are not entirely "political" issues. They are more the province of "right-wrong" vs. "right-left".

Posted: November 18th, 2005, 10:55 am
by mtmynd
The best leadership is the one that lies the least..? Maybe that's the best we can hope for. :lol:

Posted: November 18th, 2005, 11:47 am
by mnaz
Truth is always good. I don't know. It's just a long Cold War hangover and creeping corporatization of government. Let's face it. We were "jumped" by some pretty unsavory characters in the WW2 and early Cold War period. I can understand where our paranoia comes from, and our desire to preemptively fuck with other countries for perceived strategic/preventative reasons. I can understand the motivation for our big military buildup. I think we took it all too far, though.

btw... I like Carter's speech. I agree with his assessments on what needs to happen in this country, politically. We are quite a ways off course right now.