How to End the War NOW

[firsty]

We need to get out and get out now.

Warmongers with revenge on their minds insist we need to “stay the course”. Of course, this is bullshit.

Bill Clinton was no saint and he pulled some bad shit in his day. He had his Monica, too.

CEO Bush doesnt have a Monica. He’s got the entire American population. Instead of sucking him off under the desk, we’re being repeatedly abused by this worthless shit in a manner considered illegal in most of the states who got the motherfucker elected in the first and second places.

Sometimes, failure comes slowly. Sometimes, it’s not easy to recognize failure. But in Iraq, failure was assured before we invaded. The administration never had a plan and therefore started out on completely the wrong path. We can spend more years and more lives there, killing more people for no reason, pretending that success as the administration has defined it, incompetently after the fact, is still somehow possible, or we can just act like adults and realize that it’s over. The path to success was ignored more than 3 years ago and now is separated from the road we’re on by millions of miles of rough terrain filled with mines, dangerous aliens from outer space, and rabid hippos. It’s futile trying to get back.

Sure, you right wing hawks, you can criticize me for being defeatist. But, your neocons were the ones who lost this one. Dont blame the messenger. I’m just bringing you the facts. You lost.

Bush, you worthless shit, you lost because you’re stupid. You lost because you’re ignorant and foolish. You’re arrogant and wrong, and you have no idea how to run a nation much less a military. You dont belong in office. Any office. You belong in the dumpster, with half-eaten McDonald’s food and bags of dog shit.

Here is how we end the war:

Get out now. Announce that we are getting out. We arent going to leave a vaccuum, however.

The first thing we do is ask the insurgency what their demands are.

Then we ask that a UN force, heavily funded by the US, will move in for peacekeeping and rebuilding. But only on the assurance that the insurgency will allow them to work and that the UN force will meet the insurgency’s demands.

For the next year, we will shift all spending that we would have made in Iraq to the UN force. It will be made up, necessarily, of troops from other countries. Because having any US presence there, right now, because of Bush and his asshole buddies, is completely fucked. They fucked it up. But we have to accept that it’s fucked up and MOVE ON .

I dont mean the billions per day we’re “spending” on Iraq will be handed over to the UN. Because that figure it comprised not only of capital exchange, but also of vehicle maintanance, troop payroll, etc. But spending should be moved. I dont know how much that would be, but I’d rather all of it go to the UN instead of to Bush’s military folly.

Once the UN troops are in place, we do all we can to facilitate dialogue and dialogue only. We fund it in full for one year, then we start stepping back in monthly increments, so that something can be maintained and shared. We need the world’s help to fix Bush’s fuckup. We must ask for it and be reasonable about it, not pretend that we can win the war simply by blowing up more children and US military personnel with no end in sight.

We must speak with the insurgency. We must get buy-in from the sectarian leaders in Iraq. Perhaps Iraq needs to be divided into sectarian nations and then protected by the UN. I dont know. But we have to work towards peace, not work towards endless war.

This is a way to get out of Iraq now. This could happen in weeks, and our troops can come home and the US can start rebuilding its reputation around the world.

This won’t happen, because the stupidity and arrogance of our administration goes beyond all reason and logic. We are “staying the course” because Bush is too much of a fucking pussy to admit that he lost this war 4 years ago when he was planning it. He’s pretending that the mistakes he’s made in the past 2-3 years are the cause for delay, but they are not. They simply caused more loss of life. But the endgame was determined well before that, when the DNA that built Bush’s brain and Rove’s brain and Cheney’s brain and Rumsfeld’s brain and all the rest of the brains of the neocons was still planting its stupidity.

Lets not be as stupid as Bush. Lets insist that we get the fuck out and get the fuck out NOW.

[firsty]

i swear to god i just saw this site now. but it's funny, how i put bush and dog shit into the same place and now i see someone else has done the same thing. i like it. i hope it lives.

http://www.madeyouthink.org/

[mnaz]

Sounds like what I've been saying (and debating with knip, on occasion), for close to a year now, though I favored a U.S. "on-the-horizon" presence to allow quicker redeployment if the situation in Iraq escalated to near-genocidal proportions. Thing is, it's just gotten worse since Cheney declared the insurgency to be in its "last throes", especially since late February. We're essentially into factional civil war in everything but name, and it might take some doing to convince the U.N. and other nations to step in and try to clean up the mess.

And yes, the emperor(s) have no clothes. Or clue.

[firsty]

we dont claim to be the anti-genocide police. we cant stop actual genocides and do nothing for most of them after the fact, so pretending to be able or willing to stop a near genocide is folly as well.

we have to come to terms with the fact that the american military machine is so poorly managed and has been so poorly managed for so long that we simply are unable to handle new world conflicts. we havent won a major conflict in 60 years. our military has merely funded other conflicts, which have caused this situation we're in, ultra-dangerous second-world nations that want to kill western society.

great job, military-industrialist complex.

if the US military cant CONTAIN a THREE YEAR INSURGENCY with even a moderate amount of honest help from iraqis themselves, we are obviously unable to do ANYTHING of strategic significance. having us be ANYWHERE near the situation except in terms of monetary support is silly.

[mnaz]

I favored an "on-the-horizon" approach solely because (ill-considered and heavy-handed) U.S. policy in Iraq has done more to destabilize and wreak havoc and destruction (for its own sake) in the region than anything else, and I couldn't quite stomach a "fuck-you-and-then-leave" mentality.

But then, as Israel and Hezbollah once again prove daily, what else is new, under the sun? It seems every shithole corner of the desert has something to prove..... generation after generation, bloodline after bloodline.... God help the people in the way, two-months old or eighty years.... makes no difference. In fact, kill the fucking peacekeepers in their fucking bunker, if it comes down to it. Just type in the fucking coordinates and blow. Seems reasonable enough to me. Go? Of course we should've gone. Leave? Of course we should leave. Fuck 'em.

[stilltrucking]

Then we ask that a UN force, heavily funded by the US, will move in for peacekeeping and rebuilding. But only on the assurance that the insurgency will allow them to work and that the UN force will meet the insurgency’s demands.

It all comes down to buy in's for U$. I suppose that is Biblical. Mnaz what you say makes perfect sense. Sounds logical. But nothing new under the sun, I been studying on Sirach the past couple weeks the bit about famous men. Maybe the preacher was wrong? What beast slouches over the event horizion? I got to hang out with a twelve year old kid this summer. Maybe that is why I am so cheerful.

It is about time the European pay us back for american lives and treasure squandered on their behlaf. Time for them to help clean up one of our messes for a change. That would be something new?

[stilltrucking]

disclaimer
becareful mark
if you start making perfect sense to me
you may be in worse shape then you think you are.

[mnaz]

What if they threw another war for God, Inc., and everyone just said, 'fuck you'?.....

If a bomb targets U.N. peacekeepers in the desert, and there aren't any witnesses, does it make a sound?


It gets harder each day to hold my tongue, so fuck it.... I won't bother.

[stilltrucking]

hold my tongue,

I was walking around with my jaws clenched and a mouth full of blood.

Fuck it?

I read a couple of newspapers everyday. I watch as much news as I can stand every day. I think to myself, there are plenty of Jews in the world. What difference would a couple more million matter?

Sorry mnaz, I got media burn out. Fuck it don't quite articulate what I am feeling. I just want to pick up the Sports section and check the standings, see who is winning the war. I waiting for Israel to tell the government of the united snakes you are bat shit crazy.

but of course I am more crazy.
I still believe in a peaceful border between Israel and Palestine is still possible. One way or another. I suppose it could be sheet of glass.

I feel like listening to Gospel Music, shows you how nutz I am.

[mnaz]

It occurred to me that I haven't directly acknowledged how much I admire this post, firsty.... so I hereby state that admiration, for the record.

CEO Bush doesnt have a Monica. He’s got the entire American population. Instead of sucking him off under the desk, we’re being repeatedly abused by this worthless shit in a manner considered illegal in most of the states who got the motherfucker elected in the first and second places.

The Bible Belt wouldn't recognize corporatist sodomy in the name of God, no matter how many times it came up from behind and....

Sure, you right wing hawks, you can criticize me for being defeatist. But, your neocons were the ones who lost this one. Dont blame the messenger. I’m just bringing you the facts. You lost.

We all lost. The world is ten-fold more unstable because of this failed corporate aggression.

.... having any US presence there, right now, because of Bush and his asshole buddies, is completely fucked. They fucked it up. But we have to accept that it’s fucked up and MOVE ON .

Of course. But Rove-speak cancels any and all hard logic and/or justice with devastating effect. We, the people, can't crack the code, realize the scope and scale of the scam.... hawks and chicken-hawks need only deploy buzz-speak and all possibility of collective brain function is quickly disabled, like telegraph wires cut by old West train robbers. "Cut and run".... sound familiar? Case in point.

I’d rather all of it go to the UN instead of to Bush’s military folly.

Of course.

We need the world’s help to fix Bush’s fuckup. We must ask for it and be reasonable about it, not pretend that we can win the war simply by blowing up more children and US military personnel with no end in sight.

We needed the world's help to go into Iraq in the first place. We didn't get it because the premise for all-out invasion and long-term military occupation of Iraq was bullshit to begin with.

We must get buy-in from the sectarian leaders in Iraq. Perhaps Iraq needs to be divided into sectarian nations and then protected by the UN. I dont know. But we have to work towards peace, not work towards endless war.

I like the idea of splitting up Iraq. But who would get which resources? I think we could, and should, start down that path, a much better one than that which we're following now, but I easily envision the factions fighting among themselves after we leave. What else is new, under the sun. Is that really our fight?

Well done, firsty.

[stilltrucking]

sorry firsty off on a tangent, I forgot which war we were talking about. I wish my local daily rag would post a box scores on all the wars going on.

Firsty I try not to walk around with my mouth agape. I am waiting for Condi to get off a plane holding a piece of paper with hitler's signature proclaiming peace in our time. To late for playing strategic games. We can't do nothing. We can only leave sooner or latter. Divide up Iraq? Yeah if pigs could fly. Leave that job to the UN. Bush is about to beome an internationalist.

Hope you are knocking their socks off today. I can hardly wait till news starts dribbling in. I love living on the fringe.

[mnaz]

Yeah... I suppose Bushko won't consider a divided Iraq-- bad for business. Bushko wants to control the whole thing.

[stilltrucking]

Bushko wants to control the whole thing.

They might want to control

But the truth is they have lost control.

We have become hostages in Iraq.

They can't leave if they wanted to.

[stilltrucking]

War Games
Axis and Allies - Recreate the pivitol battles of World War II
Risk - The classic game of world domination
Stratego - A classic game of battlefield strategy
Other War Games - Battle Cry, etc.

Anybody for a game of Stratego? We can debate the war on Iraq till we all turn blue...

As far as dividing up Iraq, we been there done that. Maybe the problem is how Iraq was created in the first place, by Europeans drawing lines on the desert sand. I don't think there was any such country before the British Created it.

[jimboloco]

amen
we sure made a mess out of messopotamia