The caricatura sindrome

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The caricatura sindrome

Post by Arcadia » September 24th, 2006, 10:20 am

I can't avoid thinking in the Locos Adams each time I see Benedicto...

http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpai ... 09-24.html

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Post by e_dog » September 24th, 2006, 3:47 pm

Quien? El papa parece como el padre Adams o otro?

Que significa "vaticino" como un verbo preterito?

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Post by Arcadia » September 24th, 2006, 5:57 pm

no, not Homer... he fits well in the uncle serie. I don't remember if the name was Lucas or Cosa. He was the bald one with big round crazy eyes, pale skin, all dressed in black and with ojeras.

vaticinó: Past Perfect Simple of vaticinar. Something like to make a prophecy or to anticipate something that did not happen yet.

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Post by jimboloco » September 25th, 2006, 1:15 pm

oy vey
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Post by e_dog » September 25th, 2006, 5:37 pm

Fester?

Maybe.
I don't think 'Therefore, I am.' Therefore, I am.

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Post by jimboloco » September 26th, 2006, 9:23 am

an interesting aside, the translation comes thru chhanging condi rice's last name to "curl" she becomes "condaleezza curl" oh yeah
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La visión de la cadena árabe Al Jazeera: lo que va de Juan Pablo a Benedicto.
The vision of the Arabian chain Al Jazeera: what goes of Juan Pablo to Benedicto.
(this was translated by http://www.freetranslation.com/free/web.htm )
RATZINGER, BUSH AND THE DIALOGUE OF THE CULTURES
The irrational reason
Under the guide of Juan Pablo II, the Church supported Bush by its position against the abortion, the euthanasia, the genetic manipulation and the homosexual wedding. But also it was opposed to the unilateral and preventive war against Iraq and predicted the very serious consequences that today are evident. Benedicto XVI maintains the first aspect of that politics but seems to have abandoned the second, to adopt a vision eurocéntrica coherent with a theology of the empire.

By Horacio Verbitsky
The theological criticism of Benedicto XVI al Islam as an incompatible faith with the reason and that spreads for the violence was not an illusion originated in a hasty interpretation of a complex speech, pronounced September 12 in the university of Ratisbona, of the one that was professor. Joseph Ratzinger read its speech al following day of the fifth anniversary of the attack of al qaeda to Washington and New York. Its complete text shows that the dialogue between a Byzantine emperor and a Persian speaker of the 14th century on the Christianity and the Islam served him to develop a thought on faith and reason in which not to have swum that refute or contradiga the affirmations of the scandal, but all the contrary thing. The pope utilized that reflection to celebrate the encounter between the biblical faith and the Greek culture, that permitted that the Christianity originated in East to acquire his "final character" in Europe, where he added the Roman inheritance. Who do not they admit that synthesis, like the Persian that defended al Islam in that dialogue that occurred in Ankara in 1391, they can come they conceive "the image of a capricious God, that not even is connected with the truth and the kindness", maintained. Ratzinger claimed in its speech the hellenization, as "integral part of the Christian faith" and confronted thus in implicit form with other visions not eurocéntricas. It is possible, but improbable, that Ratzinger have not measured the consequences of its words. The place and the date in which pronounced they reveal them more deliberation than chance. In any case, they imply a takes of position before the global conflicts that those of they approach it the government of the United States and they move away it of those of Juan Pablo II, who maintained in recent years of its life a delicate equilibrium between its political and spiritual roles.

An imperial theology

After the attacks of 2001 against the Twin towers and the Pentagon, the president George W. Bush said that he was proposed to head a "crusade" against the terrorism. When they explained that this appointment evoked the brutal invasions of the medieval crusaders, Bush to stopped being so explicit, began to extol al Islam as a religion of peace and even invited to the White House to Moslem clergymen in the festivity of the Ramadan. But never to stopped insisting that "God is not neutral". :roll:

In February of 2002, its then attorney general, John Ashcroft explained that the Islam is a religion "in which God asks you that send your son to die for him, while the Christianity is a faith in which God sends his son to die for you". :? And in August from 2004 the general one William Boykin, appointed by the Pentagon al front of the operations of intelligence destined to capture or to eliminate to Osama Bin Laden, said that God had carried Bush to the White House and that the inspiring one of the terrorism was Satan :evil: , because "he wants to destroy us as Christian Army". Al to relate a clash that had in 1993 with a Gentleman of the War of Somalia, Boykin said that "I knew that my God was larger than his, that my God was a real God and his was an idol". Veteran of the supersecreta Forces Delta, Boykin is a parishioner of the Church of the Christians reborned, the same one of Bush. :o

The traditional fears between Christians and Jews began to be dispelled in the new world context. For the professor of the University of Bologna Titian Bonazzi, the American national affirmation includes the idea U.S. as a new one Israel, whose town has a pact with God and complies a divine mission. The alliance U.S. with Israel was originated in reasons geopolitics and economic, but in recent years has done itself evident also its symbolic component. Al same time that the positions moderates or progressives lost land in the government of Israel and the electoral options they were reduced to the right of Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert and the far right of Benjamin Netanyahu, in the United States they gained space fundamentalist movements, like the Alliance of Jews and Christians of Gary Bauer, or that of the shepherd texano John Hagee, that are assigned the double task to defend to And the deep and traditional values of the American Puritanism. A town elected by God feels obliged to do good in any corner of the land but if is a matter of United States can be convinced that so much gives to send missionaries that missiles. According to the director of the evangelical magazine Sojourners, Jim Wallis, an imperial theology exists that tends to identify to United States with an immense Church.

Fundamentalisms

Nobody understood faster than the Catholic Church the risks of this vision. The 12 of setiembre of 2001, the pope Juan Pablo II expressed its condolences al American people but also implored that not to prevail the spiral of the hatred and of the violence. The bishop of Terni, Vincenzo Paglia (founder of the community of San Egidio, that acts as a parallel chancellery of the Vatican one) maintained that "an identification simplified between a certain one West and the Christianity represents a not only illicit, but also dangerous operation. Would result in a species of conflicting, Christian fundamentalism al Islamic". The elder and sick Polish pontiff conducted with firm pulse a subtle political operation. On the one hand, recognized the American right to strike al international terrorism and to its allies or protective, but al same time caused knew that did not bless the doctrine of the preventive war, neither the unilateralism neither the destiny American manifesto. With few days of difference, the secretary of Foreign Affairs, cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran notified that a unilateral armed intervention, without mandate of the United Nations, "would be a war of aggression and consequently a crime against the humanity".

Of Massera to Bush

In March of 2003, Juan Pablo II did the last effort by impeding that crime, with the mission that entrusted to Pious Laghi before Bush. After its delicate performance as the Forerunner in Argentina, Laghi was destined to United States. Its task consisted of coordinating with the president Ronald Reagan the religious and political activity directed to conclude with the communist government of Poland and with the sandinismo in Nicaragua. The task of Laghi was facilitated for an unusual accumulation of Catholics in prominent positions in the establishment of Foreign Affairs, National Security and Intelligence: the secretary of state Alexander Haigh, its second one William Clark, the leader and deputy commander of the CIA, William Casey and Vernon Walters. Walters and Casey passed al Vatican data of intelligence based on telephone conversations of priests and bishops of Nicaragua and El Salvador enrolados in the theology of the liberation. The government of the United States sent for then secret payments to the opposite priests to that line and, by deference toward the Pope, suspended remittances by million dollars for programs of "family planning" everywhere, as arises of the documents declassified and of the interviews carried out by Carl Bernstein and Framework Politi for the book Its Holiness. Juan Pablo II and the hidden history of our time.

Laghi cultivated with the vice president George Bush a relation al style of the one that maintained here with the former admiral Emilio Massera. A day before the arrival of Laghi assesses it of national security Condoleeza Curl met with four American cardinals to whom its perplexity with a question transmitted them: "¿Why comes Laghi?". After some zalamerías diplomatic the cardinals notified on the dangerous settings of postwar period. According to the transcription of the Italian journalist Massimo Franco in their book published this year Imperi paralleli. Vatican and Stati Uniti, due secoli I gave alleanza and conflitto, the cardinals enumerated the possible devastators consequences done not seek: an explosion of all the Middle East, a fire in the capable Moslem world to aggravate the situation in Holy Land and to cause you attack Islamic against the Christians everywhere. March 5 Laghi found the same intransigence in Curling and in the own one W. Bush, who insisted that Saddam was a cancer and that would eradicate it before gave metastasis. Laghi responded that the Arabian-Israeli conflict already was the metastasis. United States should dedicate all its efforts to that conflict, instead of putting in tension to Moslem everyone with the shipment of its troops al deserted Iraqi. As United States and Great Britain were perceived as Christian countries, the attack would break the bridges with the Moslems, said. "We will reconstruct them stronger and solid", retorted Bush. Laghi tried to explain that any military action would be interpreted as an operation neocolonial or, still worse, a new crusade, this time not to free the Holy Grave but by economic and geopolitical interests. The fear of the Vatican one was that instead of reinforcing its positions, United States and Israel were self-destructing with their politics in the region and that without proposing it to him neither to be given account, to were about to drag to every West to a war with the Arabian-Moslem world. For Juan Pablo the unresolved Israeli-Palestinian question was "the mother of all the crisis in Middle East" and the international community should help the parts to take up again the negotiation and the dialogue.

Bush and Laghi they were interrupted reciprocally with irritation several times. When the president explained the reasons of the war, the cardinal told him that had not come only to listen. But when Laghi presented the moral objections of the Vatican one to the preventive war and tried to describe the terrifying possible setting in all the region after the attack was Bush who did not leave him to continue. Bush explained that Saddam gave training to the terrorists of al qaeda and that possessed weapons of massive destruction and was proposed to use them.

–¿It is sure, has tests? asked Laghi. Bush did not have doubts, because said that God was with him and to test it recited versicles of the Bible, related then Laghi in a seminar organized by the magazine Il Regno. Bush "behaved as if to continue the divine inspiration and truly seemed to think about a war of good against evil". When Laghi went of the White House, accompanied it to the street the then deputy commander of the Joint Greater State, the general one ítaloamericano Peter Grazes:

–Eminence worry not. We will do it all fast –told him, without honoring its name.

Few days later, during an encounter with the Episcopate of Indonesia (the country with greater Moslem population of the world) the pope Wojtyla urged to impede that "a human tragedy result in a religious catastrophe" and to that itself be not to permitted that the war to divide to the religions of the world.

The panorama that feared the Vatican one was explained in an article of the Egyptian Jesuit Samir Khalil Samir, one of the greater experts in Moslem and Christian theology, published in The Civiltá Cattolica. The Christian communities in the Arabian world not to stopped reducing and since the creation of Israel they had begun to think that they would not have another road that the exile, as already had occurred with the Jewish minorities in those countries. The Christians always acted as cultural mediators between the Arabian world and West, which implied contact, positive contamination and exchanges. If all it flew into the air and the catholic Church to be confused with those that sought to export the democracy the situation would be aggravated. The positions between the Vatican one and the White House were irreconcilable. While the cardinal Camillo Ruini, president of the Italian Episcopal Conference, maintained that they were touching to its end two centuries of irrefutable predominance of West and that was possible to orient the subsequent evolution toward the coexistence and the contribution, "to accompany the end of the western hegemony, so that the best of our civilization be accepted and own fact by the not western", the preacher evangelist Franklin Graham, personal friend of Bush, initiated a crusade of conversions in Iraq after the track of the armored soldiers. For Graham, the Christianity and the Islam were as different as the light and the darkness. Its foundation The Market of the Samaritan received contribute of the American government. The archbishop of Baghdad Juean Sleiman complained. The evangelists distributed aid in name of the binomial Christian democracy-religion. "They think to convert the Moslems, thing that the Christians have not been able to do in 2000 years".

Sudacas not

Although Ratzinger accompanied the opposition of Wojtyla al attack unilateral against Iraq, in setiembre of 2004 supported its opposition al income from Turkey to the European Union, because "historic and culturally has few things in common with Europe". In November Juan Pablo II and Ratzinger supported the reelection of Bush, with whom shared the same moral values against the abortion, the marriage among people of the same sex, the euthanasia, the genetic manipulation or the investigation with cells mother. The American delegation that attended the funeral service of Wojtyla was stunning. Three presidents they integrated it (Clinton and the Bush, father and son) that besides saying good-bye al dead king were interested for the king placed in their place. The Californian Jesuit Thomas Reese, consigned in the periodic one America the rumors according to which the government of Bush did not want that to be elected a South American one. The candidates mentioned then were two Brazilians, a Mexican, a Honduran and the Argentine one Jorge Bergoglio, that covered all the ideological spectrum. The American fear was that a Pope Latin-American resulted critic of the multinationals and of the capitalism one globalized. "At least with Ratzinger this danger was avoided", the analyst of the Strategic and International Center of Studies said Edward Luttwak. To his coronation he attended the presidential brother Jeb Bush, converted al Catholicism. For Luttwak, the phenomenon of Juan Pablo II is unrepeatable and with Ratzinger began the "return to the reality". The Vatican one will continue coinciding with Bush in the question of the values, but to will stop opposing to its strategic initiatives.

The beam in the eye

In June from 2005 the Islamic Forum for the Dialogue Interreligioso maintained that the new one Pope inclined too much in favor of Israel. Oriana Fallaci, that crossed the last sections of his illness possessed of a belligerent spirit, he wrote that since the designation of Ratzinger he felt less alone, because him did not he feel so "weak" as Wojtyla in relation to the Islamic world. A year ago, when the attacks in the transportations of London occurred, the first rough draft of the papal telegram of condolences defined them as "anticristianos", imprudence that was eliminated in the final version, as reported Pierluiggi Battista in the Corriere della to Be. The priest Eduardo of the Serna, coordinator of the Argentine movement Carlos Mugica, of priests in option by the poor, does not believe "or do not I want to believe", clarifies the one that the Pope have wanted to wrong al Islam, but thinks that in its conference was strained "the give-price or less-price of the Germans by the bricklayers and Turkish sweepers, or that of the Europeans by the Moslems". Of the Serna also is asked if "the wise Vatican proximity with the Judaism, initiated by Juan Pablo II and continued by Benedicto XVI, is motivated for the dialogue, the respect, the pain by the responsibilities of the past, the comprehension of everything that 'we have in common' or is a political strategy set against an 'enemy common'". In his judgment if the Pope wanted to question that at times was utilized the religion for the violence, "¿was not more logical to begin being asked for example Christian, and not to resort to a dialogue of the 1300? Is not Bush a good example of violence in name of God, and since a Christian look? He is not good to look at first the beam in the own eye before that the straw in the alien eye?" What expects of a Pope, he says Of the Serna, he is not that he give conferences but be shepherd, that do not be European but universal, that is to say catholic and therefore "of West and of East and of Latin America". If they should kill Christians by them you said of the Pope, he concludes, "¿he would not be preferably that the murderers be the killers, the new emperors of the world and not the victims of the intolerance and the exploitation?".
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Post by Arcadia » September 27th, 2006, 12:47 pm

great translation jimbo!!! the emoticons looks well in the place they are!.

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Post by jimboloco » September 27th, 2006, 3:09 pm

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