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Post by mtmynd » September 24th, 2006, 10:26 am

For all you Pol-heads, this new report I picked up on MSNBC.com -
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14975242/

... reads in the first paragraph:
"The war in Iraq has become the primary recruitment vehicle for violent Islamic extremists, motivating a new generation of potential terrorists around the world whose numbers are increasing faster than the United States and its allies are eliminating the threat, U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded."
How many years have you heard this repeated by that dangerous element within the U.S., "the Right Wing Liberals"?

My gawd, the cream has finally risen to the top and this report will make the U.S. intelligence (?) community stars! The talking heads on every networlk will be taliking about this 'new found' information. What a revelation!!

How absolutely stupid! What took so long to discover this information? This should have been reported at least three years ago. But it didn't. Why? Did the intelligence fear the reprisals from someone higher up for speaking this truth?

Approaching 200 billion dollars, the war in Iraq could have been averted. It wasn't. It takes a super-power like the U.S. to find the intelligence like this years of pondering the terrorist problem.

Amazing.

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Post by jimboloco » September 25th, 2006, 1:17 pm

yet still
isamazing they finally came up with this eval
so are spinning it
mccain wants ta keep it going
the politico demoz are yapping
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yo ho ho an a bottle of rum om[/color]

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Post by mnaz » September 25th, 2006, 1:58 pm

Und, of course, the rote rebuttal came, right-on-cue, from one of the interchangable Mouthpieces of Goldstein-- Bill Frist, I think it was this time (not that it matters)--- "We must fight this battle overseas, or surely we'll be fighting it here"-- Exhausted Uber- Talking Point no. 12, etc....

How long will we stand for this bullshit?

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Post by Zlatko Waterman » September 25th, 2006, 2:40 pm

I strongly recommend Robert Fisk's new book THE GREAT WAR FOR CIVILISATION, which I am currently reading. Fisk has, for thirty years, been one of the most fearless of British journalists in Afghanistan, Iran, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.

http://www.amazon.com/Great-War-Civilis ... F8&s=books

His inside look at the conniving, lying and blundering of the Bush administration, and other administrations all the way back to Nixon is priceless in understanding the present grievous mess BUSHKO has engendered.

The sort of overly-obvious squib mtmynd quotes above is typical of the numb "journalism" to come out of the Middle East to the West in the past twenty-five years.

Fisk is particularly insightful on the Iranian Revolution, interviewing Khomeini in the process of his reporting. He has also interviewed Osama bin Laden three times and offers interesting insights into OBL's character and motives.

--Z

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Post by e_dog » September 25th, 2006, 5:43 pm

What do you see that's wrong in that quote?

Isn't it good that the mainstream press is trying looking at the replication of terrorism by the very process of ostensibly fighting it?
I don't think 'Therefore, I am.' Therefore, I am.

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Post by jimboloco » September 26th, 2006, 1:11 pm

they're like a wave of cultural intensity
we should be thinking about de-escalating strategies
but no chickenhawk would understand
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Post by mnaz » September 26th, 2006, 1:36 pm

What took so long to discover this information?
That is the problem.

Nothing wrong with the quote itself.

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Post by stilltrucking » September 27th, 2006, 10:38 am

FYI
Part of Iraq Intelligence Report Is Released
'Political' Leaks of Paper Led to Decision, Bush Says
By Michael A. Fletcher
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 27, 2006; Page A01

The Bush administration yesterday released portions of a classified intelligence estimate that says the global jihadist movement is growing and being fueled by the war in Iraq even as it becomes more decentralized, making it harder to identify potential terrorists and prevent attacks.

The war in Iraq has become a "cause celebre" for jihadists, breeding resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world and drawing new adherents to the movement, the assessment says. The growth in the number of potential terrorists is also being fed by corruption, slow-moving political reform in many Muslim countries and "pervasive" anti-American sentiment, according to the report.

The jihadist movement is potentially limited by its ultra-conservative interpretation of Islam and could be slowed by democratic reforms in the Muslim world, says the document, which reflects the collective judgment of the nation's 16 intelligence agencies. In addition, it asserts that if jihadists are perceived to be defeated in Iraq, "fewer fighters would be inspired to carry on the fight."

Still, terrorists with experience constructing roadside bombs and other deadly devices in Iraq "are a potential source" of leadership in attacks elsewhere, the report says.

President Bush took the extraordinary step of releasing portions of the classified report, which was completed in April, to counter assertions made after information from the document was leaked to media outlets over the weekend. Articles based on those leaks said the report blames the war in Iraq for worsening the global terrorist threat -- an interpretation that the administration calls a distortion of its contents.

Speaking at a White House news conference with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Bush angrily called the leak a political act intended to affect the upcoming midterm elections. "Somebody has taken it upon themselves to leak classified information for political purposes," he said.
The president added that it is naive to think that terrorism would be any less pervasive if the United States had not invaded Iraq, repeating his oft-made point that extremists attacked U.S. interests around the world long before the start of the war.

"My judgment is, if we weren't in Iraq, they'd find some other excuse, because they have ambitions," Bush said. "They kill in order to achieve their objectives."

Bush said he reluctantly ordered the release of the National Intelligence Estimate so people can form their own conclusions about it. "You can read it for yourself," he said. "We'll stop all the speculation, all the politics about somebody saying something about Iraq, somebody trying to confuse the American people about the nature of this enemy."

Disclosure of parts of the document, which represents the U.S. intelligence community's first formal assessment of terrorist threats since the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, did nothing to quell the partisan storm that has been brewing since the first stories about it surfaced.

Democrats have seized on the document to bolster their contention that the war in Iraq has been a debacle that has hindered broader anti-terrorism efforts, even as the administration calls Iraq the central front in a global struggle.

For the third straight day, Democrats sought to draw attention to the issue with news conferences and political maneuvers. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) moved to put the House into secret session to discuss the intelligence estimate, but the motion was defeated along party lines.

"With such a devastating and authoritative analysis of the Bush administration's failures in Iraq, the president and the Republican-controlled Congress now have a choice to make," said Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.). "Will they stubbornly follow a failed stay-the-course strategy that America's intelligence community has concluded makes America less safe, or will they finally admit their mistakes and change course?"

Democrats challenged the White House to release the full report. "The American people deserve the full story, not those parts of it that the Bush administration selects," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (Mass.). "President Bush should declassify the entire NIE as the Republican chairman of the Senate intelligence committee has suggested so the American people can read the plain facts for themselves."

Bush announced his decision to declassify parts of the terrorism assessment after a meeting with Karzai. During the meeting, he told the Afghan leader that the United States will stand by him in his battle against a resurgent Taliban and other Islamic extremists.

"I know there are some in your country who wonder whether or not America has got the will to do the hard work necessary to help you succeed," Bush told Karzai. "We have got that will."

Bush restated his commitment to help the Afghan government as he is working to warm the increasingly frosty relations between Karzai and another critical ally in the U.S. anti-terrorism efforts, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, president of neighboring Pakistan. Bush met with Musharraf on Friday, and the three leaders are scheduled to meet and have dinner this evening at the White House.

The fruitless search for al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and the surging violence by Taliban fighters, particularly in southern Afghanistan, have contributed to friction between Karzai and Musharraf. They have blamed each other for the continued trouble, with Karzai suggesting that Musharraf is not doing enough to find bin Laden, who is widely believed to be hiding in one of the remote tribal-controlled areas of Pakistan.

Musharraf counters that Karzai has not done enough to address the grievances of Afghan people who have joined the Taliban or who support it.
Although the intelligence report offers a sobering picture of the global terrorist threat, it points to counterterrorism successes, including the killing or capture of much of the al-Qaeda leadership, and the condemnation of extremist views by "a few notable Muslim clerics."
It also says that a backlash could develop against Islamic radicals if they continue to kill fellow Muslims.

Still, the assessment warns, the underlying factors fueling the spread of jihadists' radical ideology "outweigh its vulnerabilities," a situation the report says is likely to continue for some time.

Karzai, speaking at the news conference, offered passionate support for Bush's efforts to combat terrorism. "These extremist forces were killing people in Afghanistan and around for years," he said. ". . . They came to America on September 11th, but they were attacking you before September 11th in other parts of the world. . . . Should we wait for them to come and kill us again?" (underlining mine)
Staff writers Charles Babington and Jonathan Weisman contributed to this report.

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The arguement goes that Bush is doing a good job because there has been no attacks here in five years. Why should he attack us when we are playing into the hand Osama dealt us?
Everything coming up roses for him.

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Post by mtmynd » September 27th, 2006, 11:24 am

yeah... leaks. i take lots of them myself. but i flush them away. this one will linger for awhile.

there are radical islamist extremists throughout the world. they are dedicated to how they interpret (or are conditioned to believe) the words of their prophet. apparently the words are meant to mean that much of what is called 'the civilized world' is seen as evil and against the strict laws of allah and therefore anyone against these extremists are infidels and should rightly be snuffed out. (is this beginning to sound like our own current administration..?) the obvioous difference between them and us - they don't have much in the ways of material baggage, which in turn means they don't have incredible debt. but they owe their lives to how they envison their allah.... which must be one mean, strict disciplinarian that will only reward those that kill in 'his' name. whadda life!!

i feel like i'm between the proverbial rock and hard spot given the political climate going on both within our country and the middle east. all the while china gets more and more powerful. whadda world!!!

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Post by stilltrucking » September 27th, 2006, 11:48 am

Well if we could just get those got damned fucking Jews out of the holy land and the got damn fucking honkeys out of north america I am sure the world would be a better place
right :wink:

Are you serious or are you just channeling again.?

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Post by mtmynd » September 27th, 2006, 12:07 pm

channeling is a very serious business, buddy!

damn muslims... you'd think they own the land! how long do they think they can keep up that shit? the british carved up their ottoman empire years ago, fer chrissake. they just better get used to it - the world needs their oil and that's that.

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Post by stilltrucking » September 27th, 2006, 12:39 pm

Nevermind

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Post by diesel dyke » September 27th, 2006, 1:28 pm

Channeling is like spooky action at a distance for me.
The experiment, which was unusually challenging even for scientists accustomed to crossing the boundary between the macroscopic and quantum worlds, is described in the Dec. 1 issue of Nature.* NIST scientists entangled six beryllium ions (charged atoms) so that their nuclei were collectively spinning clockwise and counterclockwise at the same time. Entanglement, which Albert Einstein called “spooky action at a distance,” occurs when the quantum properties of two or more particles are correlated. The NIST work, along with a paper by Austrian scientists published in the same issue of Nature, breaks new ground for entanglement of multiple particles in the laboratory. The previous record was five entangled photons, the smallest particles of light.
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/tech ... 05.htm#cat
Spooky action at a distance. I am not mocking you, and channeling is probably serious business. But like you told me when four degrees was mocking my post about being molested as a child, and I got angry at him/her “seriousness business is not for the likes of us.” Paraphrase from memory. Some of the things you write give me the hee bee gee beese. Could you be channeling Hitler?



How about we all leave and give this beautiful country back to the people we stole it from?

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Post by the flaming ace » September 27th, 2006, 3:04 pm

so has persia
er i mean iran
old timers
channelling civilization
but what the hey
the pure land is not far away
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Post by mtmynd » September 27th, 2006, 3:50 pm

truck, don't more more into channeling than there is. that could be why it's spooky, no?

you wrote: "Some of the things you write give me the hee bee gee beese. Could you be channeling Hitler?"

hitler is dead. but what have i written that unsettles you? curious...

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