Page 1 of 1

Head-in-the-Sand Libelers

Posted: November 23rd, 2006, 5:04 am
by mnaz
I've got a thing or two I want to get off my chest tonight... not sure how far I'll get.... kind of a restless, stormy night up here in the dull, inundated Northwest....

deb's "Head-in-the-Sand" post struck a nerve. After posting back and forth a few times, we concluded that Sam Harris has salient points about religion's dark side, even if he writes in a heavy-handed, inflammatory way that does as much harm as good. Now I wonder if I was too charitable. For one thing, who are these "liberals" purported to have their heads in the sand? Are they the poor saps who happen to disagree with Harris' absolute black-and-white decrees?

What exactly does "liberal" or "conservative" mean in this age of global this and that? We have "liberal" Congresspeople voting to authorize unilateral wars of choice featuring rampant profiteering; many who still yammer on to this day about "staying the course" years after they've been had. And we have "conservative" leaders bleeding trillions of dollars in red ink and selling off the country piece by piece. And what made "liberal" such a bad word to start with? Well, it tried to take away our guns.... Beyond that, it was an unfortunate tendency to consider environment and cause in the course of rendering judgment. Absolutely no place for that sort of mushmouth nonsense in these bellicose, 3-strikes-and-yr-out end times...

But what of multinational corporations run amok? What of defense contractors making billions of dollars of unaccountable profit in no-bid pacts with their friends in the White House, on the blood sacrifice of our sons and daughters in uniform, whether or not the work actually gets done?
Where is the swift judgment on the most mega-crime? Liberal, indeed.

But politics is not my thing. I'll leave that for the technically-skilled, often incurious types. Let's get back to Harris. We (apparently) have people out there who wish to kill us because we happen to live on the wrong chunk of earth or use the wrong holy book, and this is disturbing. Deeply. But the "solutions" offered so far will only dig that hole more deeply, while still unable to penetrate any further than routine tabloid schlock shock. By 1968, Johnson thought 500,000 more troops could win Vietnam, but Vietnam was never the fight to begin with.

The West, in its oil-junky ways, has exploited and fucked with the Middle East for many decades now, in various ways and degrees. The multinationals and military concerns have covered this ground for quite some time.

I know this is a hopelessly "liberal" thing to say, but at some point we need to actually communicate with each other, here and there, hither and yon, or at least make a considerably more honest attempt at it, and maybe even ***gasp*** stop to consider (honestly) the consequences of our own actions, individually and collectively, even pragmatically. Not exactly brain science or rocket surgery. And it's been sorely lacking in the last five post-Sept. 11th years of the Ascendency to the Throne of the Age of Extremism (pick your poison).

Posted: November 23rd, 2006, 6:32 am
by e_dog
Liberalism is dead, mnaz. Haven't you heard, yet? This is the Age of the Hornet Killer Robot. This is the Age of Weapons of Mass Destruction and Mass Distraction. This is the Age of Aquarious.


Happy Thanksgiving!

Posted: November 23rd, 2006, 3:57 pm
by mnaz
well-paid nerds shall inherit the earth.
some will push the envelope, get us talking,
some will even set up humanitarian slush funds with gobs of cash,
as they devise smaller and smaller and more clever weapons,
built around smaller and smaller ambitions..

not sure where this thread is going, but i'll try to keep it honest,
and i do thank the nerd who invented AM radio last night in a driving rain, as some poor soul with air time reeled off statistics about bechtel's smoke-filled bottom line.
this'll make 'em talk thru the acid rain without conversation..

well anyway, that's one reporter's opinion.
and i do give thanks for it all,
even if it all is one big, giant, immense, perennial screwup of a delinquent cousin that nobody invited for turkey sort of it all.


...... on 2nd thought, I wasn't "being too charitable". no such thing.
it's nonsense for me to say that.

anyway. thanks for hearing me out.

Posted: November 24th, 2006, 5:44 am
by mnaz
(sorry deb.... not trying to be combative here or anything like that.... just some late nite mumbling...)

Posted: November 24th, 2006, 11:56 am
by mtmynd
a fair ramble, one i can understand and agree with. too much concern over lables, too much much concern over profit, too much disagreeing over necessity... the debates seem endless without conclusions... but in this day and age, we seem to think conclusions are desperations disguised as weakness.

liberal, miserable, conservative,absurditive... it really is all a game, an unfortunate one at that that has very little to do with anyone but our (u.s.) selves and how stable a future is ours (damn the other guy).

we can't agree or won't agree... we remain divided, at arms with each other, dueling for some futuristic fantasy using hollywood special effects and story lines from drug-induced writers too cranked up on crack, speed and viagra to make enough sense out of reality.

thx for the words, mnaz... you read well.

Posted: November 24th, 2006, 2:21 pm
by whimsicaldeb
mnaz wrote:(sorry deb.... not trying to be combative here or anything like that.... just some late nite mumbling...)
I'm see no combat.

...

BTW (fyi) ~ I used to work for Bechtel, 11 years worth of work. I know very well the value they place on their "bottom line" and what that means in terms of the human equation ... and that's why I know things must be pretty damn bad in Iraq for them to pull out from such a …”gold mine.”

Things are really bad, have gone really wrong in Iraq; or Bechtel would still be there.
Imo – the whole story has not come out, yet.

Posted: November 24th, 2006, 7:27 pm
by mnaz
Good. I'm glad you didn't take offense to my "alternative" ramble/rumble....

One thing I dreaded most as I saw the horror of the 9.11.01 attacks unfold on TV (until I couldn't watch anymore) was the virtual "blank check" it would likely grant our own array of extremism here in the U.S. in general, whereby all manner of militaristic agenda(s) could become "fair game" and simply rely on those TV images of one-way evil, unleashed on us by an unseen, unknown, "monolithic" Muslim enemy... You know, I've never been fond of one-dimensional, one-way myopic ruminations on good and evil.

And I once considered working for Bechtel a long time ago, but opted for a smaller place. Glad I did.

And Cecil, thanks for the good word. Speaking of Hollywood, I saw Spiderman 2 last night. In that scene where Spiderman barely stops the runaway elevated train with his webs and superhuman strength (and loses his mask), the saved passengers are astonished to see that Spiderman is really "just a kid".... I thought of those unfortunate kids over in Iraq trying to stop their own runaway train and save the world.... but I s'pose that's only because I obsess over that particular quagmire over the others.... Super hero with super powers saves world, but who saves Super hero? Or who saves world from those super powers?

Anyway..