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" As the Iraqis stand up, we'll stand down . . ." ( George Bush in 2005 on the "Iraqification" of the war).

Remember "Vietnamization"?


This article discusses the current strategy:

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/17104704.htm



--Z

as tha iraqis stand up, we'll stand down.

and suck their lyndon johnsons?

no way!

we bug out, when the goin geotz tuff.

where the heck you been e-dog
the going been tough
from the begining
we lost the war
we got to bug out
retreat to the rear
and watch a blood bath
I read something today about Iraq being carved up into zones, min forts or neighbor
now maybe we can win a fucking peace for a change.

We can't stand this one to go down like the top of the US embassy in Saigon. We got to bug out as you call it or retreat to the rear as I prefer soon, real soon.

It looks like preperations are being made

US To Wall Off Parts Of Baghdad
Los Angeles Times | April 20, 2007 01:03 AM

A U.S. military brigade is constructing a three-mile-long concrete wall to cut off one of the capital's most restive Sunni Arab districts from the Shiite Muslim neighborhoods that surround it, raising concern about the further Balkanization of Iraq's most populous and violent city.

U.S. commanders in northern Baghdad say the 12-foot-high barrier will make it more difficult for suicide bombers, death squads and militia fighters from sectarian factions to attack one another and slip back to their home turf. Construction began last week and is expected to be completed by the end of the month.

We going to leave a bloody mess behind
but staying just makes it worse.


Interesting article ZW

Here is more from the LA TImes article

The ambitious project is a sign of how far the U.S. military will go to end the bloodshed in Iraq. But U.S. officials denied that it was a central tactic of the U.S.-Iraqi security crackdown launched Feb. 13.

If you chnage the wording to read to "is a sign of how far the bush administraion will go to end the blood shed until the US elections in 2008" it would be more accurate

Bush and Cheney maybe impeached before that, cause I don't see bush pulling out or admitting the war is lost, I don't see him admitting that we make the world a more dangerous place every day we stay. All I can see is him stalling the inevetable until he gets out of office cause the son of bitch has got his legacy to think about. Just like Nixon he must protect the office of the ex-president.

here is a link to the LATIMES article quoted abouve for what it is worth

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... -headlines

Retreats for cowards! Custer -- now thats an American heroe.

Last stand. END OF DAZE.

What is gonna happen is a continuation of the quagmire
an unfolding
they're building walls around shihite areas within sunni territory
and vice versa

blackwater s sucking down dollars
our praetorian mercenary guard

what would you do for $900 a day?

We will withdraw from Baghdad, all hell will break loose
and Iran will intervene to restore order,
much like (north) Vietnam did after the war, going into Cambodia to check the Khmer rouge.
we called it imperialism,
yet they turned it over to the UN
all is well now save for landmines

when Iran comes into Iraq, Amerika will bomb them
and we will be in WW3.

that's my prediction.
stupid.
first of all, Iran can restore order, what we cannot do, in the Shihite areas, and secure them.
Syria, our otherr arch nemesis, can not block its borders with Iraq unless it masses troops along the border, something that Amerika would bluster about.

So it looks like we are stuck somewhere between Iraq and a hard place.

I am not worried about Iran. The neo-con bullshit artiztz want us to hate and fear iran. Is absurd. They will oone day control all the oil in Iraq, as a price to pay for securing order there. But Amerika doesn't want to lose control over the oil, so, shit, we lost the war, hot dawg, now somebody's got to wakeup sometime, maybe a soldier who says, "this is not right" or A VOTING CITIZEN WHO WILL SAY, "THIS IS RUINING MY LEISURE TIME"

AND SO FORTH

they are saying we will need to be there for 8 more years
sounds like a campaign pledge from the kneo konz

Scott Ritter, the former UN weapons inspector and ex-Marine (Reagan republican) said that "we will leave Iraq with our tails between our legs" before the war started. sad and true

I commend SSenator Reid for stating the obvious.
and heard that McCain, when recently asked about Iran said,
"bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb bomb Iran" a la Beach Boys "Barbara Ann" what a dufus scary never learned a thing from his near death experience, floated down into a rice paddy, tucked away for a few years, enmergeg unchanged, indoctrinated and intact.

Some folks will never change. Hopefully he will die off and those of his kind, in greater numbers than can be brainwashed enough to follow his absurdist conservatism. And then we will be the majority.

Too much intransigence, for sure.

stuck between Iraq and a hard place!

thats classic.

i guess
moron this later

U.S. Military Envisions 'Post-Occupation' Force
Amid plans for a sharp troop reduction, beginning in 2008, officials are now aiming for a smaller American presence to remain in Iraq for years.


By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, June 10, 2007; Page A01

BAGHDAD -- U.S. military officials here are increasingly envisioning a "post-occupation" troop presence in Iraq that neither maintains current levels nor leads to a complete pullout, but aims for a smaller, longer-term force that would remain in the country for years.

This goal, drawn from recent interviews with more than 20 U.S. military officers and other officials here, including senior commanders, strategists and analysts, remains in the early planning stages. It is based on officials' assessment that a sharp drawdown of troops is likely to begin by the middle of next year, with roughly two-thirds of the current force of 150,000 moving out by late 2008 or early 2009. The questions officials are grappling with are not whether the U.S. presence will be cut, but how quickly, to what level and to what purpose.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

Bushco has to tidy up before the election next year.

yeah it's his karma
waiting to see the Republickin surge

My dogma ate my karma

So much news today

I saw a pole about which country poses the greatest threat to world peace. USA and Israel running neck and neck.

China hardly a blip, Pakistan got a couple of votes, India none. N Korea and Iran a few.

What can one man do. If I was younger or in better shape physicaly and fiscally
I think I would go camp Obama.

I just can't get behind any of those other guys, I mean the ones that voted for the war.

Makes me wonder why not one of the twenty two senators who voted against the war, not one of them is a candidate. As far as I know.

We went to the Devil Rays baseball game tonight. Had free tickets, Silver Rays and Rays Rookies. It is the 232nd birthday of the US Army and they had a group of kids sworn into the army. I looked at them thru binoculars, kids, off they go. Not the place to yell out anything negative.

Going into the stadium, an army fellow in fatigues was passing out little flags. I took the opportunity to tell him that, as a Vietnam ve, it was my opinion that we need somebody up there with some common sense, that the army is being miss-used, that we can do better. He smiled and thanked me. I don't have the impression that he was suffering from any intesity, so who knows, maybe he has natural endorphins, but I stuffed the phlagg in my pocket and counted breaths duriong the pre-game ceremonies.

Interesting blurb yesterday on Democracy Now, Tuesday, June 12th, 2007
Dave Zirin on "Welcome to the Terrordome: The Pain, Politics and Promise of Sports"
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl? ... 12/1415238
pop culture too easily manipulated
plus I got my two cents worth again on the radio call-in 88.5 radioactivity
squabbling over the state budget, yet we get a paucity of return on our investment in federal income tax dollars due to waste and deep pockets in the Pentagon budget. Kucinich stated he would reduce the Pentagon budget by 25% and take better care of the troops and he is right.

anyhow all this hoopla about how Iran is supposed to be a terrorist state is just crapola. Afghani President Kharzai recently thanked iran for its help against the Taliban, also of course our man in Baghdad, Saddamned Hussein, attacked iran in the 1980's with the blessings of ronald rayguns, we supported Iraq with nerve gas and gave specific tactical advice to the Iraqis in killing Iranian soldiers with said nerve gas, direct collusion with them in this matter, and well knew that same nerve gas was used against the Kurds with nary an outcry until it became convenient to do so, yes, and unfortunately the USofA did not have the prescience to understand that once Saddamn was deposed, that of course Iran would want to assist their Shihite bretheren and in fact will do so. I fully predict that once US forces retreat outside of Shihite areas, that Iranian troops will enter Iraq and establish security there, and will infact fight Al-Qaida as well.

we are too fucking stupid.

Senator Robert Byrd on West Virginie is the oldest senator.
anyhow Barack didn't change his name to Barry, thank goodness.
I am just keeping my kool, waiting for media opportunities.
I wrote both Florida's senators, what boors, and our congressman is king of pork, craPOLA. But we can keep talking it up on the radio and get solace from one another.

At least Peres is primo in Israel.
Iran supports Hesbollah, it is true, but that is no reason to demonise them or start WW3.
It is getting crazy, hopefully somebody with some brass will speak up.

I looked at the baseball standings today
Orioles not in the cellar courtesy of the devil rays.

Sanctions are working well in Palestine
The birth pains of a new democracy I suppose.

Syria picks off another Lebanese cabinet minister
or so it seems

Kucinich a good man
I think
Obama got the dough
Hillary got the blind ambition

I got one little vote
makes me feel like it matters

Failure of the military
so much to do with Rumsfeld
those that spoke up
are gone
He weeded out the trouble makers
now the yes men running the show.

Here is a picture of Israel's version of Rumsfeld, reviewing the troops with the lens caps on his binoculars. The bbc said he was nodding as the general to his right was explaining the manevors he was observing. He was nodding jim, like he understood the blackness he was staring into.






Who is on the road to Damascus today

where is the good Samaritan when we need him?

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Subject: Vice President Cheney at fault

The United States was an accomplice in Iraq's use of chemical weaponry in the 1980's. We helped them with our own U.S. Army advisors, giving them specific intel on the locations of Iranian soldiers, knowing that the Iraqis were hitting the Iranians with these chemicals. we never said a word when they killed the Kurds, only when it became convenient to do so, during the trump up to war this time around. My own experience in Vietnam showed me that America also used chemical weapons, called Agent Orange. After Desert Storm, the Iraqi infrastructure was decimated, the UN weapons inspectors stated there were no WMD's. Al_Qaida is an Islamic militarist group; Iraq was a secular Baath party dictatorship. I resent Dick Cheney's profiteering off of this war in Iraq, the lies he told. and his own draft dodging lifestyle. He should be tried in criminal court for this debacle he has helped to get us into.

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