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Post by stilltrucking » October 6th, 2006, 3:43 am

People come and go
Poems come and go
Posts come and go

I liked it.
I was just going to re read it
But its gone
Glad I got to read it once anyway.

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Post by Doreen Peri » October 6th, 2006, 7:36 am

Well it's an old piece, truckin'.... like 6 years old... not my best work for sure... :? ... fluff sorta... rhymny stuff (not that i have anything against rhymne or anything)... this piece is just sorta cliche hallmarky with a coupla good line ;). So, I posted it last night on the creative writing board but then read it over afterward and decided to take it down...Just for you though... here it is again. :)

people come and people go
through a door goodbye hello
shadows of some broken dreams
never was the way it seems
into lives, some enter still
through the gate atop the sill
people come and people go
in and out of lives in flow

books of lists of lanes and drives
fill address books of our lives
phones which do not ring again
passioned phrases of the pen
letters sealed and sent with scent
eves in the believing spent
sometimes we won't ever know
people come and people go

eras pass from birth to grave
nothing left for us to save
lovers leave within a mist
as if lips were never kissed
words are words sometimes they lie
stick a needle in my eye
nothing more to know you know
people come and people go

once upon a dream now stale
someone wrote a fairy tale
love can happen just for you
you will fit the small glass shoe
you're the only one you know
people come and people go
my love's true you're my plateau
people come and people go

trust me now, believe i'm real
i don't lie no love to steal
i give my whole heart to you
you're the only one it's true
would i lie? oh no i won't
now you see me now you don't
people disappear from view
nobody will lie to you

people come and people go
seasons turn and comes the snow
ice on hearts which did entwine
always yours but never mine
everbody tells the truth
see your disappearing youth
vanish in the ebb and flow
people come and people go

alone again in mirrors seen
face cries out where is doreen
gone again in solitaire
people lost within her stare
nothing left to know you know
people come and people go

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Post by Zlatko Waterman » October 6th, 2006, 10:29 am

Dear Doreen:

I wish to offer my condolences to mousey1. I understand not being understood.

One of the main functions of StudioEight, in my view, ought to be providing a place where one can see his or her work on the screen ( a species of publication, to be sure) and feel some of the art transaction has been accomplished: you got your work "out there."

I don't talk about it here, but I worked many years as an editor of literary magazines-- starting them, chasing bucks to print them, gathering subscriptions and occasionally paying for them from my own pocket when I couldn't snag a university English department or a foundation grant to get people in print. I stopped that cluster of activities and anxieties when I reached forty or so.

The Internet is wonderful because it doesn't take that much money to get your work shown. In the case of the generosity that shines on all of us because of your diligent and expert work on this site, it takes nothing in terms of money-- only the material we contribute counts.

As Michael Chabon said of genre fiction: "This is a wonderful thing."

And we don't have to be good. We don't have to win The National Book Award to be on Studio Eight. Everyone is a star, even drug-soaked, self-indulgent, unwhelped puppies with little or no talent.

But, of course, along with that freedom, some would call it license, comes another component-- what Freud and Jung called "neurosis", or a disease of the nerves.

I put myself near the front of the line headed into the emergency room when it comes to that affliction. Having suffered the major illnesses the flesh is "heir to", as Bill the Shake put it, I can attest to the strength of neurosis in comparison with heart attacks and cancer.

Neurosis eats you too.

One of the signs of emotional and artistic maturity and freedom is the ability to separate yourself from your poems, your fiction, your drawings.

That was pointed out to me when I was about twenty by a kindly professor and critic in his forties, who was struggling with the same difficulty, only couldn't ( and shouldn't have) confess(ed) it to me.

But we are still "heir to shocks" about our own work. It's us, by God, we think, that others are tearing apart. My flesh, my heart, my mind, my feelings.

Only it isn't. It's artifice, if it's well made.

Long John Silver, the peg-legged, sunburned pirate companion of Jim Hawkins in TREASURE ISLAND, isn't Robert Louis Stevenson, the pale, emaciated and consumptive Victorian gentleman who died at age 44 from pure inanition.

Yet Silver is one of the best-made and most memorable characters in all of English literature. Like Mr. Micawber and King Lear, he is immortal, even though his author wasn't. And Stevenson was as frail as we are, and as perishable, and at least as neurotic.

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, other powerfully original creations of Robert Louis Stevenson, still live today-- in pastiches ( the most elevated form of flattery) and at last count, over a hundred films and tv shows. The original story, better than any movie, isn't read often enough, but it's still around, in dozens of editions, including new ones published this year, and translations in forty languages.

As David Henry Lawrence wrote in STUDIES IN CLASSIC AMERICAN LITERATURE, one of the best books on the subject by an Englishman, "This patient ass in a tweed coat sitting here at the desk with a pen in his hand is only one version of me . . ."

Let us use StudioEight to show as many versions of ourselves as we can, to explore all those versions. And to try to make art of them.

I, for one, will try to grow more patient ( being penned up in a classroom with recalcitrant and often immature people uninterested in what I was teaching for a number of years wore me out, but I'm recovering).

Virginia Woolf said it well, "Give yourself to the book if you want to have a good time. Don't expect the book to give itself to you."

--Z

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Post by judih » October 6th, 2006, 11:01 am

bravo, zlatko - a well-penned non-tweeded statement - in praise of us having the guts to praise ourselves by displaying our utterances and colourful outer statements.

it takes dedication and a total lack of ego in our full-house ego to put ourselves on the public platter, hoping others will dive in - taste, sniff, walk around in our sauces, and come out feeling a little more enriched/disheveled/re-tuned, or whatever might occur.

We hope for a chemical reaction - our output, someone else's reception and then a voila! situation where something is sparked in the meeting of the two.

yes, the skin is so utterly thick (i convince myself) until suddenly something is said and my skin is suddenly as delicate as a house of cards.

i come tumbling down and depending on how used i am to pulling myself back together, the rehabilitation process can take as long as it takes.

So, the Studio concept is wonderful. It allows for the spotlight to fall on a few new works each day, and though some may not feel stimulated to respond, there is a response from another. There is the chance that someone else might be activated in a new way. (a poem, a thought, a action).

Seldom am i moved enough to write back a marvelous work, but when it happens, it's a truly hallelujah situation.

In short, yeah. This place is wonderful. May we attract others who truly look forward to interacting.

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Post by Axanderdeath » October 6th, 2006, 2:31 pm

I search my own name on this site sometime because I am a loser--neat little bit about me--what is going on? lots of people not posting ??
thus spoke G.A.P.

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Post by Doreen Peri » October 6th, 2006, 2:53 pm

Geoff -
Just a little conversation about people leaving and not posting for a while. Some seem to think the recent discussion between you and mousey made her decide not to post for a while since we haven't seen her since. I was missing her and said so which got this started. Cool idea to search for yourself. I never do that. I should do it. Maybe I'd find out if somebody's talkin' about me. ;) You're not a loser, Geoff. You're just a sensitive artistic type... like Zlatko described... like we all are. Nice to see you. When are you going to send some contributions to the book? How's your jaw? doing better?

Zlatko -
Thanks for the generous analysis of what this site's all about. You're a dear.

judih-
Thanks for agreeing with him.

*smile*

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Post by whimsicaldeb » October 6th, 2006, 6:38 pm

judih wrote:bravo, zlatko - a well-penned non-tweeded statement - in praise of us having the guts to praise ourselves by displaying our utterances and colourful outer statements.

it takes dedication and a total lack of ego in our full-house ego to put ourselves on the public platter, hoping others will dive in - taste, sniff, walk around in our sauces, and come out feeling a little more enriched/disheveled/re-tuned, or whatever might occur.
judih wrote: Source:
http://studioeight.tv/phpbb/viewtopic.p ... c&start=60
whimsicaldeb wrote: For me, my posts are like mini works of art, or writings. The duplication of information I had in the two threads was intentional - not accidental. I was using the duplication of information between the two threads the way you would use a refrain between stanzas in a song, or a poem.

I came back …

And found my post … stripped … of it’s refrain.
It never occurred to me.
Nor would i have thought to ask if this was a form of art.

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Post by Doreen Peri » October 6th, 2006, 6:56 pm

Hi Deb!
I don't get it. Are you saying this is why you haven't posted here in a while? Geez... I thought that argument was settled a long time ago. I'm trying to follow who you're quoting. I understand the first quote of judih's, but I don't understand the second one.

I'm so confused, I may just decide to stop posting here myself. I can't follow a lot that goes on here.

Anyway, nice to see you again. Stick around a while. We're supposed to jam this weekend.. (if I ever get to writing up an announcement).

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Post by whimsicaldeb » October 6th, 2006, 8:10 pm

doreen peri wrote:Hi Deb!
I don't get it. Are you saying this is why you haven't posted here in a while? Geez... I thought that argument was settled a long time ago. I'm trying to follow who you're quoting. I understand the first quote of judih's, but I don't understand the second one.

I'm so confused, I may just decide to stop posting here myself. I can't follow a lot that goes on here.

Anyway, nice to see you again. Stick around a while. We're supposed to jam this weekend.. (if I ever get to writing up an announcement).
Doreen,

When I came back to post to Judih's apology to me for editing my posts (where that quote above of Judih replying to me came from) - that’s when I found someone had gone into my personal profile and turned off my BB Codes. That’s when I finally stopped posting back then … taking my own hiatus. The whole situation left a bad taste in my mouth. Using the BB Codes is a large part of how I stylize my posts. Having someone go in and turn them off on me, is like having someone take away my pen, pencil, brush or camera.

Btw I did tell both you and J via pm’s at that time, about my codes being turned off, because at that time I didn’t know where or how they got turned off, or by whom, or how to turn them back on. I have since found out (however not from here.)

Neither of you responded; you had a good reason Doreen – you were busy with the upcoming Cabaradio. J? I don’t know – and at this point I don’t really care what her reasonings would be.

I posted what I did above because it’s my form of art; my “… well-penned non-tweeded statement - in praise of us having the guts to praise ourselves by displaying our utterances and colourful outer statements. it takes dedication and a total lack of ego in our full-house ego to put ourselves on the public platter, hoping others will dive in - taste, sniff, walk around in our sauces, and come out feeling a little more enriched/disheveled/re-tuned, or whatever might occur.” way of saying to judih what I really think of her and her actions, and comments …

Image
Photo by byEugene Safian

I realize my way/style is differnt than THIS but essential the emotions are the same; and that's the beauty of art isn’t it? Our ability to have varied expressions.

We all can't like each other Doreen, no matter how much you would want us to; and as you can see - I can be anything, but nice. So I can’t and won't promise you I’ll be nice but I can promise you that I’ll keep my postings to a minimum, and my personal comments about J, sparse.
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Post by stilltrucking » October 6th, 2006, 8:23 pm

What would His Holiness the Dalai Lama say about all this?
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Post by Doreen Peri » October 6th, 2006, 8:24 pm

Deb,

I never received a pm or an email from you about codes being turned off. I'm sorry. I don't know what happened but I did not receive anything from you.

Just to let you know, it's not possible to turn the codes off for one person on this site.

If code access is changed, it has to be changed for the entire board... for everyone here.

There's just no way anybody could have done what you're saying was done. It's impossible. The software doesn't work that way.

So, if the codes weren't working for you, it had nothing to do with anything anybody here did. It must have something to do with your browser, maybe or ???? I have now idea what else it could be. I'm not too technically educated, unfortunately.

I DO know, though, that it is impossible to change the code settings for individual people.

I don't even think you can lose any of the BB code settings for the whole board. The only change in code settings that can happen here, to my knowledge, is to either disallow or allow html code in addition to the phpBB code and tell the software which specific html code you want to add.

Believe me. Nobody messed with your ability to reply the way you want to, using the code that's available here.

Sorry that happened but in order to solve it, I would have to go post to the phpBB help boards and see what I can find out from the experts about why your ability to use the code stopped working.

It wasn't me. And it wasn't judih or any other person here with admin capabilities. How do I know that for sure? Because it's impossible.

We've missed you.

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Post by Doreen Peri » October 6th, 2006, 8:29 pm

PS

The only access any of the admins have to your account is to the very same profile you see when you hit your profile. Nothing else. The only changes we could make to your account would be changes within that page. That's it.

The area where html codes are either disallowed or added is in the board configuration panel and there's absolutely nothing in there that refers to members. Nothing. There's no way to change settings for individual members in there.

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Post by Doreen Peri » October 6th, 2006, 9:13 pm

Went to the store for a few minutes. Gonna have a martini. It was a tough day at work. Tried to work on a simple brochure and screwed it up over and over and so it's still not done. Frustrated.

Stopped back by to say that it's upsetting to me that you would think that judih or anybody else might want to alter your priviledges to post using code on the boards. I don't understand it. Even if it were possible to do (which, as I said, it's not), I don't understand why anybody would want to do it (which is probably why the option isn't available).

I'm really sorry that you've had problems getting the software to work properly and I wish I knew about it before this so I could try to help figure out why the code wasn't working for you. I'm sorry I didn't receive your email or pm (just another indication, if you sent a pm, that the software wasn't working right for you).

I'd be very happy to set you up as an Admin yourself so you can take a look at the Admin panels and verify what I'm telling you. Just say the word. We could use some more help around here, too, if you'd like to help in an admin capacity. But if you just want to look, that's fine, too.

Hope we can move on from this once you realize that nobody messed with your account in any way. As I said, we've missed you.

Now for my drink. Cheers!

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Post by Doreen Peri » October 6th, 2006, 9:26 pm

OK. Hate to keep rambling about this. I looked again at the profile area and there is a place where you can click to either allow BB code or not allow it. I'm a dummy. Never saw that before. Sorry. The default, of course, is to allow it.

That said, I'm sure nobody turned yours off because, as you see, obviously I didn't even know it was there and see absolutely no purpose for it.

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Post by whimsicaldeb » October 6th, 2006, 9:35 pm

doreen peri wrote:Deb,
I never received a pm or an email from you about codes being turned off. I'm sorry. I don't know what happened but I did not receive anything from you.
Yes you did ... this is from one our PM's dated July 21, 2006:
doreen peri wrote:Deb... I've been soooo tied up with Cabaradio planning, I never got to replying until now.

I just wanted to say that it's great that you two have smoothed this out.

Emotions can run high using the internet sometimes.. all we have is text...

Thank you, Deb.

love to you!
whimsicaldeb wrote:Thank you Doreen for the PM and the heads up. I sent J a PM saying apology accepted and to stay safe.

BTW ~ the quote function doesn't seem to be working, at least in preview status.
At the time, the quote function was not working in my previews or posts on the board or in my PM's to you and J - and that's what I wrote and you can see that above as well as in private as I'm replying to your PM again - to prove to you personally it's genuine.

For the record, I wrote both of you the same thing ... on the same day, but I don't have my PM's to J saved.
doreen peri wrote:PS

The only access any of the admins have to your account is to the very same profile you see when you hit your profile. Nothing else. The only changes we could make to your account would be changes within that page. That's it.

The area where html codes are either disallowed or added is in the board configuration panel and there's absolutely nothing in there that refers to members. Nothing. There's no way to change settings for individual members in there.
Thank you for confirming to the board that someone with admin status has the ability to access our profiles; the same profiles that we see - which also happens to be the exact same placewhere our BB Codes can be turned on or off:
Always attach my signature: Yes No
Always allow BBCode: Yes No
Always allow HTML: Yes No
Always enable Smilies:
I know you don't want to believe this Doreen - but someone with admin status on your board went into my profile and turned off my BB codes.

It's a fact.

I don't know who ... but someone did. I'm not lying about this, just like I'm not lying that I told you (and J) about the quote function not working back then. Someone changed the BB codes in my profile, and it wasn't me, nor do I believe it was you. I never thought it was you.

But it's true and it did happen. Your reply to me, here and now confirmed to me that admin's on your board do indeed have access to my (our) profiles, and thus can they turn codes on and off, as they so choose. And that's exactly what someone did!

I appreciate your honesty and earnestness Doreen - I wish others were as earnest and honest as you are.

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