criticism put under scrutiny

[keithalanhamilton]

criticism put under scrutiny, being critiqued
evaluated by the imaginative eye of the artist
where individual perception finds emergence
by highlighting something typically not noticed
since criticism is thought of in a certain context
as to the artisan being critiqued about the art
not artist critiquing critic in criticizing effectively
the artist crafts art to wittingly disrupt the norm
knowingly doing so to invoke hearty discussion
about an artist creating art to critique criticism

[keithalanhamilton]

as an artist, it seems ok to listen to the critics
hearing what is socially correct and proper
what will make art popular to the populace
or to those, who say they are in the know

as an artist, if criticism helps that seems great
but if the critic inhibits your artistic creativity
conditioning you to overly question the artistry
artistically then, that might not be so grand

as an artist, what’s wrong being uniquely you
no matter the critic’s need to critique your art
why not ignore the social pressure to conform
listen, learn, stay balanced and originally you

I think I've worked through this topic

[Doreen Peri]

Keith,

I'm pretty sure you don't want critiques and that's what you've been trying to say all along with these pieces on the topic. Am I right?

If so, I hope you don't find this comment unwelcome .... but I truly think these two pieces posted here would read better as prose, not as poetry, written in sentences and paragraphs instead of broken into lines.

Just my opinion.

[keithalanhamilton]

Thanks Doreen,

Critique doesn't bother me; I've grown used to it over the years because my style is different, often simplistic and at times efficiently complex; if anything I am not really fond of critiquing other peoples work.

As I said elsewhere.........

As an artist, I think my artistic expression here is more to help fellow artists find a mentality to work through the criticism of their art. So they don't allow the critics to dictate or stymie their artistic creativity.

I'm an artist, I create and the critics will always wallow in the aftermath of my poetic creations.

so be it...... write on.......... be your creative and unique you

[Nazz]

I've been assisted by criticism here and elsewhere, but it rarely persuades me to scrap the entire concept or style-- just "hone" it and perhaps fix or remove any loose, clunking parts.

[Arcadia]

an artist creating art to critique criticism

it sounds good!!!!!!! (well... sorry...!!!!! )

[revolutionrabbit]

I think i could make a comment here, in my experience as a poet/writer, i have explored many different scenes and approaches.Styles and experiment, are a main component here, yet i also feel that one cannot separate this so-called critique of others, from the reality of the internet, in that the unique experience of the internet creates more intense forms of exchange, and levels of exchange.Depending on the site, as each site has its own little rules and personality cult, and or types of exchanges for what the site intends.I could launch into the range of experience that i have encountered on various sites and scenes, and so in this context i will mention how i ended up on studio 8, as some of the people on here use to be on the Litkicks site.I will say here that i personally went through a lot of changes in the time i spent on that site, sometimes i responded to perceived
critical exchange, and sometimes one just responds with a flame back, if the feedback loop breaks down.At any rate the Litkicks site changed with the total control of the owner of the site.I have gone through similar exchanges on other sites, where poets were not appreciated, or were attacked by others with other agendas, and i could talk about this, heck i could write a book about it.I was personally attacked by a famous author on one particular site, for my poet minded types of response, this became a running battle with the owners of the site and their ersatz hall monitors, but i wrote my responses poetic or poet-minded as i am want to do, in that finally it comes down to just how honest one can be and tell it like it is, with out feeling inhibited, when it comes to issues of ideas and ways of exploring.

We find ourselves, in the midst of various levels of thinking and various levels of knowledge and understanding, it becomes passionate, or it becomes a tug of war between people that can't flesh out their ideas, without resorting to lame remarks or just lack of being able to communicate well, and in this internet environment that translates to a highly charged emotionally restrictive conundrum.So, keeping in mind a place where poets/writers/artists gather, the range of exchange is more finely tuned to some extent, and within poetic types of exchanges, one may still feel that ones style needs to be worked on, as we all are working on our skill of communication.Needless to say, there are as many kinds of writers/poets as there are songs and singers.And this does enter the realm of philosophy.

I just do my own thing, as you do your own thing, sometimes a certain poem my resonate and it may kick off other types of poetic experiment.ect.

[keithalanhamilton]

revolutionrabbit,

Thanks for the great feedback; this is the type I was hoping to get when I experimented poetically with this topic that others don't want to talk much about.

As far as this forum, I haven't had anyone critique any of my poems to where I've gotten upset; and once again, that wasn't the reason I posted my poems on this topic here.

As a mystic, I'm spiritually interested in process as it unfolds recurrently through patterns of order that are individually as aspects, characteristically identifiable. So a lot of my poetic words show a thought process unfolding overtime like this topic on criticism. It reflects back to others how they may think through the same process of thought. And because of this, my poetic style resembles how thoughts come forth during mind’s process. In other words, thoughts do not always come to mind in full sentences that are fluid enough for another to comprehend instantly, let alone the person thinking them; and because many times thoughts are more obscure, vague then being clear, to fully grasp the meaning it would take time to think the process through as is reflected in my poetic style. And so, my poetic style tends to favor free verse over prose, etc.

Thanks again for the feedback.

[Yejun]

I just do my own thing, as you do your own thing, sometimes a certain poem my resonate and it may kick off other types of poetic experiment.ect.

Having been one of those "ersatz hall monitors", I would say that this is easy to say, hard to do.

With small groups, it doesn't seem to be an issue. With large ones, it seems inevitable that headaches come.

[revolutionrabbit]

actually, i was referring to a specific site, which you were not the "ersatz hall monitor" of( RealitySandwich), i know not which you refer too, at any rate, this is a very complex issue, that has to do with web sites and their owners.In my case on the RealitySandwich site i was attacked twice by the famous author, for nothing but placing a few words that are written in a poetic style.I then called him on it, and it became a power trip on the part of the little hall monitors that begin to act like little fascists.I do realize that when people are just being totally obnoxious that the site needs to point that out to the person.But here in lies the rub, there is a thin line between creative exchange and madness, between one persons way of communicating and another.So again in the realm of poetry, there needs must be people that allow for that flux, and not people that become the little enforcers of some site persons agenda.As far as specific poetry site, and criticalness of poets/writers of others style, i find a similar problem, in that again one persons gold is another's dung.In that some people are more like pooits, as i call it, they think just because they pen a few lines here and there that suddenly they are not out there in the open, just like any word person.On the other hand just because somebody reads a few books and maybe takes a creative writing class at some fancy school they suddenly think their crap doesn't stink, the little hall mark poets of the world.

Having said that, again i think people learn bad habits in thinking, and that goes deeply into their poetic style, in my case it took me many years to get my style, and that is still open, but i am not just a weekend poet.

[hester_prynne]

You know, I can't for the life of me figure out what the hell this is all about. Could someone explain what the issue is here? Did someone get offended? Was it intentional? Did someone's ego get bruised? You know, a bruised ego is a good thing I think, I mean, in hindsight for me it's made me stronger. With my job right now I am a walking bruised ego. I have such a hard time with the work and feel so stupid. Hell they will fire me if I don't get it right. Of course not liking the job and the entity I work for doesn't help....But I'm going off on a tangent...what is the deal here? I'm curious, no criticism intended....
H