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no worries
Posted: July 17th, 2010, 1:53 am
by justwalt
they've always preached the narrow road...
but how do they hold a straight face?
well I ain't looking for no heaven,
I'm already there... in that place
reality is slipping away fast, so say
the latest scientists on my TV, (tunnel vision)
no worries though, nothing lasts,
I'll skip the desert... it won't hurt
I'm beginning to detest the physical
world anyway... how now?
there's more than just one kind of knowing,
if you know what I mean, more than one way
to get where we're going...
you do know where you are going, right?
(that's good)
from dust to dust... so what, I'll adjust
everything was once dust, or will be at some place in time,
so we're told
they call the brain an organ, but it is much more
it's a biological computer, with all its information
gathering sensors for sight, sound and so on, but...
like any computer, it arrives, equipped with a basic
operating system... enough to make it function...
until someone else begins to program it,
but that programming never stops
isn't there a better use for... us? or a better purpose
that we can find instead of what we have now,
or are we already obsolete?
walt
Posted: July 17th, 2010, 11:49 am
by stilltrucking
First let me say that I am very satisfied with your poem or prose piece. Bravo!
isn't there a better use for... us? or a better purpose
that we can find instead of what we have now,
or are we already obsolete?
now if I may ramble a bit
A movie called Flowers For Algernon, the way I feel these days, I used to be smart too. Back fifty years ago when I read a book called The Human Use of Human Beings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Human_ ... man_Beings
I tried reading it again a few years ago. I could not make heads or tails out of it anymore.
Old Norbert one of my heroes, right along with Ted Williams and Johnny Unitas.
please pardon the ramble and pardon my pardon
Posted: July 17th, 2010, 4:38 pm
by mnaz
we're quite the adaptive, intelligent algae bloom on the face of rock, yet running heavily on old superstitions, fears, walls and mind-traps. seems we'll have to step up the pace of evolution (beyond only techno) to avoid obsolescence. something like that.
Posted: July 18th, 2010, 2:05 am
by justwalt
thanks truck, this bit is just a half hour of bitchin'
but, I mean it
from the link, I think, the bottom line is having machines
doing the majority of work, for us, allows us much more
time to spend with family...raising families...or more time
to experience life. over time, we could all be fed, clothed
and housed in a decent manner... (what any human deserves).
I agree, let the machines do the bull work. and let us be
what we could be, if given the chance. the monetary system
would have to go though... and a lot of other systems, which
run our lives into the ground, would have to go.
sadly, it would be nearly impossible to implement this in today's world.
we made this wrong turn centuries ago. although, there are people trying
to form a similar type of society.
thanks too, mnaz, there're gas drilling in my ao, I will
sell the house and git if they are allowed to drill in my county...
no adaptation to poisoned water and worthless property.
it seems to me, that most of human life is filled with distraction...
pop-ups, spam and ads by godknowswho.com
lovin' it
walt
Posted: July 18th, 2010, 2:30 am
by mnaz
godknowswho.com . . . yeah, distraction, misdirection, the history of it all, and we thought we got rid of it all in our new age of prosperity. or maybe that was our new age of prosperity.
Posted: July 25th, 2010, 9:55 am
by stilltrucking
I agree, let the machines do the bull work. and let us be
what we could be, if given the chance. the monetary system
would have to go though... and a lot of other systems, which
run our lives into the ground, would have to go.
sadly, it would be nearly impossible to implement this in today's world.
we made this wrong turn centuries ago. although, there are people trying
to form a similar type of society.
I been thinking about what you
wrpte for about a week now. Maybe I can put
it my thoughts into words. In spite of the
maryjuwanna.
Wrong turn centuries ago?
What was the most recent wrong turn?
Some people think we took a wrong turn at the end of the last ice age.
Sorry for the ramble
Sometimes I wonder if I understand irony at all.
"All watched over by machines of loving grace"
To tell the truth I am more interested in "entropy" than I am interested in machines.
Just as the entropy is a measure of disorganization, the information carried by a set of messages is a measure of organization. In fact, it is possible to interpret the information carried by a message as essentially the negative of entropy, and the negative logarithm of its probability.That is, the more probable the message, the less information it gives. Cliches, for example, are less illuminating than great poems. ~ Norbert Weiner
http://www.brint.com/wwwboard/messages/1532.html
Cenacle has a beautiful poem with a bit about entropy in it.
I will search for it and put a link
here if I find it
Posted: July 25th, 2010, 10:25 am
by stilltrucking
here is the link to cenacle's poem
Resurrection, Now. Settle in, friends:
Are you ready?
i.
He said, "Entropy is the boa constrictor
of reality" & played an E major 7th
chord, smiling, grim
Resurrection, Now
mnaz used to talk about the mistakes we made going back to world war two, e_dog would take it back to the 19 century
Be nice to put our finger on a date and say here is where we went wrong. Like looking for the God Particle I suppose. They say or I have read that the Hebrews discovered historical religion. Maybe that is where we went wrong,
Makes my head twirl
I need to go watch another documentary on PBS. I am running out of opinions
Just rambling
I will let you go now
sorry
Thanks for reply.
Posted: July 25th, 2010, 7:54 pm
by justwalt
humankind's wrong turn... yikes !!!
war is a relatively new gimick. dig down deep enough into the earth and all traces of waring cultures vanish.
what was different before then?
besides a far lesser population, humans were totally connected to all of nature. it was home, and it was perfect. we knew nature, we were nature.
and i'm convinced, that the beasts of the field were also
more connected... to us.
there was true magic then, we healed eachother... nature
healed us, and we existed as one.
i would say, there was no seperation between the created and the creator then. and there is still no seperation.
spirituality... is not enough of a word to describe the
concept. everything was of the god, everything was god.
such is still the native hopi way, preserved and practiced
even as we speak.
somehow, for some reason, we gravitated more toward the
physical aspects of living. seperating ourselves from our
all giving world.
today, the barriers between us and the true nature of our
beginning, are so thick, the wall so high... we cannot see,
hear, nor touch what we once had.
the world of today is the result of such seperation. what this actually means, is that we are all living lives of total faslehood. the fantasy is all we know, all we're taught. countless generations of the blind leading the blind. human extinction is around the corner on this road.
someone was first, in making that wrong turn. and that was so long ago. we've been travelling ever since...the wrong way.
hey... entropy works that way too.
cenacle's piece leaves me speachless, awesome
walt
Posted: July 26th, 2010, 11:24 am
by stilltrucking
Not much I can add to what you say except to say that if f we are going to go extinct it was language that done it to us.
"Language is a bitch with an ice pick" (somebody on litkicks a long time ago, jota I think)
Only poetry can save me.
SPECIES ETHIC
Our animal nature, our biological nature is to live in relation to other people. The natural environment of humans is primarily culture, not the "natural world," narrowly defined as other species, climate, etc. The sudden and startling growth of The human brain around one million years ago was not in response to saber-tooth tigers, retreating glaciers, nor the intellectual challenge of getting nutmeat out of its shell, but in response to the emergence of culture itself. The brain mechanisms of self-defense, of predation, of territoriality, of sexual and family group affiliation, and of defending offspring have not been supplanted by culture, but rather speak through it in ways that we poorly understand. Culture is not illusory, movie-theater projection of bodily "drives' or "instincts." nor is the body a metaphor; wholly constructed by culture. Culture is as biologically real for humans as the body. Unless in a coma, we are always both culture bearers and bodies at every moment.
Achilles in Vietnam
Posted: July 27th, 2010, 11:06 pm
by justwalt
i can't get past the second word...ETHIC, only because it is still a human thing...
a side effect of any forming culture, having already broken away from nature.
a creation... needs not ethics
this quote excludes anything spiritual ... it could be due to lack of evidence found in early man's life.
SPECIES ETHIC
Our animal nature, our biological nature is to live in relation to other people.
The natural environment of humans is primarily culture, not the "natural world,"
narrowly defined as other species, climate, etc.
i may or may not agree with other parts of this anology... "thought for food"
walt