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Heresies

Posted: January 17th, 2011, 6:13 pm
by Hollweg
First there was Gnosticism--
Not really a heresy,
But it would have been
If they had claimed to be Christians--
The spirit--they said--
Was good.
Matter--
Good dark humus,
Good hard sex,
Was evil.

The Marcionists, too,
Couldn't get used to the human body--
A religion like this
Could wipe out the race.
But most folks can't actually live without . . .
Marcion said Jesus
Was the New God--the God of Love;
The old God
Had created all this flesh,
These greedy appetites. Love, evidently,
belongs to something else.

And what greater boon to philosophical endeavor in general
Than the Trinitarian
Controversy?
Was Jesus a man? Was he
God? Was there a time when Jesus didn't exist?
Arians thought "the Father" created "the Son"--
A sort of
Codicil.
It's a basic question of worship.
Is Jesus subordinate to God?
No sir, not at all, he is "very God
of very God."
Of the same substance--
Consubstantial--a personification
of God.

Re: Heresies

Posted: January 17th, 2011, 7:07 pm
by justwalt
And so too, are you...

Re: Heresies

Posted: March 31st, 2011, 11:16 am
by joel
Lord, I want to be like Jesus
with a heart, Lord, with a heart
yes, I want to be like Jesus
with a heart.

I don't need another Casper,
formless void or friendly ghost,
I don't need another Casper
without heart.

Love that's spirit, Love that's action:
no mere body, no mere noun,
Love is something more than action
of a heart.

But a formless Love will tease us
in our hearts, 'cause we have hearts.
Make my body real like Jesus
with a heart.

Lord, I cannot be like Jesus
without heart, Lord, without heart.
so you can't be like me, Jesus,
without heart.