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early vd bed talk (pc)

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 8:20 pm
by Axanderdeath
“All your stuff sounds the same Geoff. All your stories are about you and they all are the same.
All your characters are the same.”

“That is just because you don’t understand bitch. I am trying to tell the world about what I see
and think.”

“Well it is boring. And, Geoff, can you please not call me bitch?”

“Why? you call me a bastard and make fun of things I do. Why are you so much better because
you go to university? What makes you so high and mighty. I think that there are lots of
people that would want to read my stories. It is just people like you that keep fucking greats
like me down.”

“Geoff your so average.”

“Bitch.”

“Geoff if you do that again I am leaving.”

“bitch...” (She gets up and starts to leave I grab her arm)

“Let go of me Geoff.”

“No, look just don’t leave I am sorry.”

“Just because your jealous of my education does not mean you can treat me like that.”

“I am not jealous, just fucking people like you don’t get it. Any one can be famous and great.
It is all bullshit.”

“Maybe for you Geoff, but that is because you don’t know anything.”

“Err, your right. Come back top bed.”

“Okay.”

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 8:52 pm
by stilltrucking
10 pages I done think I am that desperate to read yet if I could print it out I might, but I still got no printer. maybe tomorrow I will be climbing the walls, will try


this one I guess I think women have orgasms in technicolor, they sure dream in color more than I ever do. She would like to watch me cum and I was happy to oblige her, but when it came her turn, then it ain't about us no more, that is why I have been so picky, I want to make her happy, I want to hear her talk herself to sleep afterward i will go, mothers are easy, they lie there and thinking about their children, intelligent women make good pillow talk, I wonder how many episodes of CSI I could listen to before I had to hop a frieght. Geoff I am to far away in time to judge this one, I like it because you wrote it and it is fresh and all that, but I cwould never call a woman a bitch, just too macho for me. But I do have this hill billy friend, a Princeton grad as he always reminded me when I tried to give my opinions, he would use that Princeton diploma as the perfect squelch, kind of like perezoso tried to use his accademic credentials to shut you up. Well anyway my hillbilly princeton friend was in court down south somewheres for punching out his live in girlfriend, the Judge said Son what is your Alibi, and he said "Your honor she was coming at me with an axe"


wish I could give you a post modern critique, but....

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 9:04 pm
by Axanderdeath
stilltrucking wrote:10 pages I done think I am that desperate to read yet if I could print it out I might, but I still got no printer. maybe tomorrow I will be climbing the walls, will try


this one I guess I think women have orgasms in technicolor, they sure dream in color more than I ever do. She would like to watch me cum and I was happy to oblige her, but when it came her turn, then it ain't about us no more, that is why I have been so picky, I want to make her happy, I want to hear her talk herself to sleep afterward i will go, mothers are easy, they lie there and thinking about their children, intelligent women make good pillow talk, I wonder how many episodes of CSI I could listen to before I had to hop a frieght. Geoff I am to far away in time to judge this one, I like it because you wrote it and it is fresh and all that, but I cwould never call a woman a bitch, just too macho for me. But I do have this hill billy friend, a Princeton grad as he always reminded me when I tried to give my opinions, he would use that Princeton diploma as the perfect squelch, kind of like perezoso tried to use his accademic credentials to shut you up. Well anyway my hillbilly princeton friend was in court down south somewheres for punching out his live in girlfriend, the Judge said Son what is your Alibi, and he said "Your honor she was coming at me with an axe"


wish I could give you a post modern critique, but....
Stilltrucking I don't know why I qouted the whole thing. I want you to know I don't hit anyone at all. But if I did hit people I would not hit women, it is unfair. But if you try to tell me tyhat women can't hit you with somthing better than you calling them bitch, your wrong....

I wrote this because I thought it was true, niot because I thought I was right, or she was right, but because it is somthing from my life. And if you said you wished you could write a "modern critique" Because I wrote that I was great, or came across like I think I am doing anythiong different than thousands of other sad drunk losers that read too much Buk. and Ker,. your wrong and your right. How is that for zen. (Ohooooo) Your right and your wrong. Blows the mind eh.

And about the 10 pg long story I understand why people don't want to read it. I only critique poems because they are short, not because I prefer them over short stories. Hows that for being Modrern?

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 9:17 pm
by stilltrucking
christ Geoff, I dont know what you are talking about, i liked the sound of the thing, I dont know who hit who, your are making a fatal mistake if you try to read any meaning in what I say, it has nothing to do with your story, it is just a departure for me to run with my own thoughts, man you got it made, mousey asked why we are here, you are a writer Geoff, i a scriblber, you going to cash in and make a living one day from this stuff, I hope it makes you happy and you dont get too greedy and wind up with the problems of a mid list author, what ever that is.


lighten up,

and for god's sake don't use anymore smileys, the light glinting off those razor teeth of yours scares me shitless :D

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 9:24 pm
by Axanderdeath
trucking you are defiantly an interseting guy. Thanks for the compliment. But freud would have a couple of things to say about your "just letting it rip and it means nothing" he'd say "your just letting it slip."

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 9:58 pm
by stilltrucking
Whither Psychoanalysis in a Computer Culture?

by  Sherry Turkle
http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0 ... rintable=1

Over twenty years ago, as a new faculty member at MIT, I taught an introductory class on psychoanalytic theory. For one meeting, early in the semester, I had assigned Freud's chapters on slips of the tongue from The Psychopathology of Everyday Life. I began class by reviewing Freud's first example: the chairman of a parliamentary session begins the meeting by declaring it closed1.
Freud's analysis centered on the possible reasons behind the chairman's slip: he might be anxious about what the parliamentarians had on their agenda. Freud's analysis turned on trying to uncover the hidden meaning behind the chairman's remark. The theoretical effort was to understand his mixed emotions, his unconscious ambivalence.
As I was talking to my class about the Freudian notions of the unconscious and of ambivalence, one of the students, an undergraduate majoring in computer science, raised her hand to object. She was studying at the MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, which was (and is) a place whose goal, in the words of one of its founders, Marvin Minsky, is to create "machines that did things that would be considered intelligent if done by people. Work in the AI Lab began with the assumption that the mind, in Minsky's terms, "was a meat machine," best understood by analogizing its working to that of a computer program. It was from this perspective that my student objected to what she considered a tortured explanation for slips of the tongue.
"In a Freudian dictionary," she began, "closed and open are far apart. In a Webster's dictionary," she continued, "they are as far apart as the listings for C and the listings for O. But in a computational dictionary -- such as we have in the human mind -- closed and open are designated by the same symbol, separated by a sign of opposition. Closed equals 'minus' open. To substitute closed for open does not require the notion of ambivalence or conflict. When the substitution is made, a bit has been dropped. A minus sign has been lost. There has been a power surge. No problem."
With this brief comment, a Freudian slip had been transformed into an information processing error. An explanation in terms of meaning had been replaced by a narrative of mechanistic causation. At the time, that transition from meaning to mechanism struck me as emblematic of a larger movement that might be taking place in psychological culture. Were we moving from a psychoanalytic to a computer culture, one that would not need such notions as ambivalence when it modeled the mind as a digital machine2?
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Not sure I agree with her, hell I can hardly understand her, but Freud was the bugaboo of my childhood, my father born in the nineteenth century if you can believe that. A little knowledge a dangerous thing, he trying to understand himself, nobody gets neurotic like american jews. That is probably a neurotic thing to say
_______________________trying to keep whole studio eight litkicks literary experience in context, keeping an eye what is on the end of my fork.

I wish I could get my hands on this book, cause that is what it is about for me, my identity on this screen. You honor me with your interest. Tomorrow I will probably be back to boring you to death.

Life on the Screen: Identity in the Age of the Internet
by Sherry Turkle

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 10:11 pm
by Axanderdeath
I liked the article and ussally I hate that shit.

i MUST SAY i CAN HARDLY UNDERSTAND THAT MIT STUDENT EITHER. iT IS KIND OF FUNNY THOUGHT THAT SOME OF THE PARTS OF MY STORY WERE ABOUT THAT i FELT THAT UNIVERSITY STUDENT THOUGHT THEY WERE BETTER THAN ME THOUGH, DON'T YOU THINK?

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 10:58 pm
by stilltrucking
they used to call them coeds in my time, college women, now you see why perezoso was so crabby all the time, they just wore him out. It reassures me that women can think so rationaly, got this image of them as gods little puffs of fluff, that is what the baltimore police commissioner called them when he was being pressured to hire women cops back in the 60's, oh no they can't handle that job, "they are just god's little puffs of fluff" pink puffs I Now I heard somewhere that you are more likely to be shot by a female cop. I got a student driver about your age I think, do remember jota the guy on litkicks who wrote good poetry , he had a strange with trip with his mother like my student driver buddy. I look at him sometimes with tender indifference and sometimes he seems so gay, but he talks all cartoonish manly, once in a while he finds me interesting to talk too, I think he is sorting out this whole gender identity thing, I could careless whether he is straight or gay, I want him just to be a valuable man. Old Kurt said something about how it takes seven different sexes to have a baby on earth.

there are like two workers your age to support one geezer and next year you will be taxed to pay for my viagra, is this a great country or what,

A woman just sailed around the world alone, broke every record in the book, she is my valentine today.

Posted: February 14th, 2005, 11:08 pm
by Axanderdeath
stilltrucking wrote:they used to call them coeds in my time, college women, now you see why perezoso was so crabby all the time, they just wore him out. It reassures me that women can think so rationaly, got this image of them from as gods little puffs of fluff, that is what the baltimore police commissioner called them when he was being pressured to hire women cops, oh no they can't handle that job, "they are just god's little puffs of fluff" pink puffs I bet. Now I heard somewhere that you are more likely to be shot by a female cop. I got a student driver about your age I think, do remember jota the guy on litkicks who wrote good poetry , he had a strange with trip with his mother like my student driver buddy. I look at him sometimes with tender indifference and sometimes he seems so gay, but he talks all cartoonish manly, once in a while he finds me interesting to talk too, I think he is sorting out this whole gender identity thing, I could careless whether he is straight or gay, I want him just to be a valuable man. Vonnegut said something it takes seven different sexes to have a baby on earth.

gotta go
Implications.


any way yha gender is weird. I don't have rthat thing figured yet.

sarcasim is weird to.


Stilltrucking I think it is funny that people that have 20 years on me think they got that much. Look how far the human race has come in like 5000 years.

I think that everyone is a little bisexual, how you like that? I think you'd be lieing to your self if you never found your same sex a little attractive, but it all comes down to who you dream about at night. I(f you think I am putting on some kind of moch act because I am afraid that I am gay you have completly mis-read me. I understand though-the spelling thing.

Posted: February 16th, 2005, 1:58 am
by stilltrucking
If eros had been in the eyes of Christ the sin above
all, as it became for certain Church Fathers, for the
more or less Gnostic ascetics, for the medieval clergy,
for the puritans of all faiths, and subsequently for the
devout bourgeois starting from the first third of the
nineteenth century, it would have been logical that
some sort of sexual temptation should overshadow all
those that Satan made Jesus experience in the desert;
but the Evangelists do not say anything about this.


Geoff gender is just a childhood accident, but I find the idea of touching another man sexualy unattractive, just not my thing

I been wondering about your really great make out line
"don't be such a prude every body else is doing it"

what ever happened to "the grave is a fine and private place but none there do embrace"
are you serious or am I missing the sarcasm .




I drank a half pint of vodka today, that is a lot for me, I don't think I have drank more than a quart of booze in the last twenty years,
Geoff I got over forty years on you but that don't mean shit,
you know more about all this literary stuff then I do.

sometimes I get so depressed I stop taking care of myself, so easy for geezers to die, all we have to do is stop trying to live, so I try to deal with what eros I have still got in me, I I think of women and children a lot. When I think of being bisexual it is more like finding the feminine in myself, the empathy, the nurturing, all those things that make old women so important to the survival of the young, we need lots of old women, but old men are not that important. What is funny to me is, as drunk as I am now I ain't slurring my words when I type.


I say consenting adults got the right to fuck each others brains out in any combination or permutation



how many square inches of skin are there on a woman's body,
twentyfive years a priest, and that ain't normal so don't listen to anything I got to say about sex.

I am pretty weird, but I try not to scare people,

I will read this tomarrow and be embarassed as hell, if nobody comes back to this before then, I hope I can delete it


yeah we are all bisexual, but some people are more hetero and others more homo, just the way it is, some have a larger gray area, what ever you are I hope you respect your self. And if you don't know yet don't worry about it. It is kind of like wisdom teeth, just happens you won't have to choose you will become

just keep on writting mate.