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here and now
Posted: November 28th, 2012, 11:58 pm
by justwalt
Here... there are no shadowy voices,
nor any covert languages to decode,
words unheard, are void of ant notion,
when there is no clever story to unfold
Now... there is no cloaked depictions,
not one elusive pretense to be rendered,
and with no impressions to ever envision,
there is no place for ideals to be tendered
Here... there is no demand for any sacrifice,
not a thing can be gained by employ or toil,
there is not any laboring from which to rest,
nor a mote of poverty weighed against spoil
Now... there cannot be any more dishonor,
no worthy thing has the odd need to be,
thoughts and deeds can bear no burden,
as there are no actions that may disagree
Here... freedom is not ever perceived,
no liberty exists that requires a defense,
and no repose has become a necessity,
since there is no reason to take offense
Now... this place defies merit and purpose,
no construct of reality can support its design,
it lies far from any suspected infernal domain,
and is distanced from the ambiguously divine
Here... is not now, though now is certainly here,
not all of relativity can be expected to conform,
even time is uncertain of what a moment knows,
whether it lives or dies, or is just eternally reborn
Now... in the absence of property and proportion,
with no reference of dimension to thus persuade,
this absolute, is the combined sum of all things,
the source, and the cause... of this living charade
wgs/11/12
Re: here and now
Posted: November 29th, 2012, 4:55 pm
by Atehequa
Excellent poem.
"no liberty exists that requires a defense"
True poets know that justice is a lie
Re: here and now
Posted: November 29th, 2012, 10:19 pm
by justwalt
that reference is meant to show the ultimate natural setting
that this race should find themselves enjoying...
Liberty, the word, the concept, the purpose... should not need
to exist at all... Absolute freedom, is only... freedom from fear.
the rest of the piece describes (that place) in the same extreme,
where harmony is all there is. it's not a physical thing, not mental,
and not even spiritual... it is all of it as one, on a universal scale.
the sum total.
peace
Re: here and now
Posted: November 30th, 2012, 5:51 am
by Atehequa
Then see fit to forgive me for my complement, or smudge of soot on your piece.
Re: here and now
Posted: November 30th, 2012, 7:04 am
by justwalt
Then see fit to forgive me for my complement, or smudge of soot on your piece.
nope... not necessary, for that too, is also a part of the whole.
thankx
Re: here and now
Posted: November 30th, 2012, 7:34 pm
by stilltrucking
part of the whole yes
‘’ we do not have a privileged access to reality, so many of us live either in the past or in the future; betraying the moment and in some sense we forget to live our lives. and the wild turkeys were always reminding me to live my life. I think as humans we have this peculiar disposition to be always thinking ahead and living a little bit in the future, anticipating the next minute, the next hour, the next day; and we betray the moment….the wild turkeys don’t do that. They are convinced that everything they need, all theirs needs will be met only in the present moment and in this space and that the world is not a better place half a mile further through the woods, it is not better an hour from now and it is not better tomorrow, but that this is as good as it gets…and so they reminded me to do better and not to live in this abstraction of the future, which by definition will never exist… and so we sort of betray our lives in the moment and the wild turkeys reminded me to be present, to be here……………’’
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes ... sode/7378/
Re: here and now
Posted: November 30th, 2012, 9:33 pm
by justwalt
Time by itself is meaningless, we only use it to measure things against... other things.
Imagination sometimes mingles without concern of time.
Re: here and now
Posted: November 30th, 2012, 9:41 pm
by stilltrucking
http://www.ul.ie/~philos/vol2/husserl.html
I enjoyed the poem, thanks for writting
gobble gobble
Re: here and now
Posted: December 1st, 2012, 8:50 am
by justwalt
Cool article of Husserl...
In the mid '80s I studied some of Martin Heidegger's work... (Being and Time).
Heidegger had worked with Husserl prior to succeeding him as philosophy professor at Freiburg.
Interesting association.
thanks