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Der LuegenGeist
Posted: April 19th, 2007, 6:56 pm
by Totenkopf
from Goethe's Faust
Verachte nur Vernunft und Wissenschaft,
des Menschen allerhöchste Kraft,
laß nur in Blend- und Zauberwerken
dich von dem Lügengeist bestärken,
so hab' ich dich schon unbedingt.
TK's translation into Englische:
"Scorn Reason and Science,
Humanity's highest craft;
permit yourself to be overcome
with the lying soul of magic and illusions,
and I have you absolutely..."
Der LuegenGeist: sort of blogland's official spiritual Entity
(any tips from native german speakers ah-preeci-ated)
Posted: April 20th, 2007, 1:34 am
by mnaz
And yet there seems to be a place for each,
tho' they are clearly at war...
The seeping of magic illusions into reason and science,
or the creeping of reason and science into magic illusion.
As for "absolute(ly)"?... Well...
Posted: April 20th, 2007, 2:48 am
by hester_prynne
Scorn, reason, science,
humanity's highest craft?
Born of arrogance tote`,
and a silly notion that
this statement was not
of magic and delusion itself.
Think dear tote think.
I sense you've been hypnotized
by apathy's fetid waft...!
H
Posted: April 20th, 2007, 12:49 pm
by Totenkopf
Perhaps. This was spoken by Mephistopheles I believe, so there are ironies a plenty. But sort of traditional if somewhat snobbish perspective: the sleep of reason produces monstas, etc. Goethe was an uptight M-thu- -f-er tho' most likely. Oppressor!
Posted: April 21st, 2007, 7:41 pm
by e_dog
The lie of Reason itself,
Science is the craft of cruelty
Made refined.
Shut your eyes
and I have you.
Open them and I'll have
You still.
-- Bertha Goethe Bierstein
Posted: April 21st, 2007, 10:42 pm
by Totenkopf
Aesthetes generally make far better nazis than do logicians; Speer sukked, but was nothing compared to the Reichmarshall. That took some wanderjahrs to understand.
Re: Der LuegenGeist
Posted: April 22nd, 2007, 1:06 pm
by whimsicaldeb
Totenkopf wrote:from Goethe's Faust
Verachte nur Vernunft und Wissenschaft,
des Menschen allerhöchste Kraft,
laß nur in Blend- und Zauberwerken
dich von dem Lügengeist bestärken,
so hab' ich dich schon unbedingt.
TK's translation into Englische:
"Scorn Reason and Science,
Humanity's highest craft;
permit yourself to be overcome
with the lying soul of magic and illusions,
and I have you absolutely..."
Der LuegenGeist: sort of blogland's official spiritual Entity
(any tips from native german speakers ah-preeci-ated)
Ja! Genau!
(Yes! Exactly)
My son's learning German, so he's lucky. He can read Goethe in his native language while I need to rely on translations.
"Es hört doch jeder nur, was er versteht." (Maximen und Reflexionen 887; GA 9: 615)
(Everyone hears only what he understands.)
source
Posted: April 22nd, 2007, 1:48 pm
by Totenkopf
Dankeschoen, WD. And that translation was via Wörterbuch, and old grammar: no googlestein involved. Goethe often makes use of unusual archaic words/forms, such as "verachte": scorn, maybe forego, condemn. (PK Dick was a great fan of Faust btw). Congratulations to your son: mastery of German is not a trivial task.
Teilen kann nicht das Leben,
Nicht das Innen , noch das Außen,
Allen muß das Ganze geben,
Um mit euch und mir zu hausen.
Immer hab ich nur geschreiben,
Wie ich fühle , wie ichs meine,
Und so spalt ich mich , ihr Lieben,
Und bin immerfort der Eine.
(fairly simple Goethe poem--challenge for any S8 translators)
Posted: April 22nd, 2007, 1:53 pm
by Doreen Peri
Parts does not know the life,
not the inside, still the outside,
everything must the whole give,
in order to live with you and me.
Always have I only geschreiben,
as I feel, how ichs my, and so gap is I,
their loving, and always the one.
hahahaha... Courtesy of Altavista Babelfish
My only link to other languages as I have a hard enough time speaking and writing the only language I know... English.
*shrug*... I figure if I can get a good handle on being adept at ONE language, I'll be happy with myself. Still working on it.
Posted: April 22nd, 2007, 2:04 pm
by Totenkopf
Danke, Fraulein Peri.
Twain said something like french could be learned in a few months, German not in 10 years. The nouns and articles are bad enough, then the verbs with all the prefixes, suffixes, etc. and odd syntax (by the time you get to end where the verb is, you no longer care what the sentence meant, paraphrasing Clemens). Btw,-- is the "kann" from "kennen" to know, or "koennen" to be able, can? I think its from "can," but babelfish gives it as from "know"--kennen.
Posted: April 22nd, 2007, 3:15 pm
by stilltrucking
The way I heard it was that "a man hears what he wants to hear. and disregards the rest."
Posted: April 22nd, 2007, 3:39 pm
by whimsicaldeb
Oh my... No more sock puppet!
Your new avatar is cute though.
What are they?
Posted: April 22nd, 2007, 4:13 pm
by Totenkopf
Gut Herr Doktors Ren and Stimpy!
I grew tired of SP. I thought of posting a totenkopf (skull) but might offend.
Posted: April 23rd, 2007, 4:28 am
by e_dog
Aesthetes generally make far better nazis than do logicians; Speer sukked, but was nothing compared to the Reichmarshall. That took some wanderjahrs to understand.
And Germans (and Germanophiles), too! they make, as you say, "Far Better Nazis" than the Italian or Spanish fascisticysts!!
Posted: April 23rd, 2007, 6:42 am
by stilltrucking
‘The Architecture of Doom’ (NR)
Cohen, an award-winning filmmaker born in Sweden of parents who fled from Nazi Germany and Austria, believes that the National Socialist horror can be comprehended as a pervasive manifestation of a perverse aesthetic doctrine: to make the world beautiful by doing violence to it. This provocative thesis, systematically explored, gives compelling pace to the film.
....
But the range and extremity of Nazi aesthetics were unlimited. Part of the effectiveness of the film is that it enables us to see, each step along the way, the vastness of the gulf between reality, as everyday humans conceive of it, and the Nazi fantasy world. Children with birth defects and mentally ill or retarded persons were eliminated in the name of this fantasy. "Murder," the narrator (Bruno Ganz) states, "became the ultimate form of therapy."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/st ... a09f07.htm
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Unmediated consciouness
not for every one I guess
probably not even possible now.
never was I suppose.
but I keep trying anyway
Germanophiles
I consider myself one.