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Circular Logic

Posted: March 17th, 2006, 2:43 pm
by Lightning Rod
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I am the president, therefore, I am the president.
What's so hard to understand?


Circular Logic
for release 04-18-06
Washington D.C.


One of my favorite Bushisms is the one he used during the 2000 election when a reporter would question him about his reputed past drug use and drinking. He would say, "When I was young and stupid, I was young and stupid." It was his little quip to evade the question.

This is typical of George Bush's circular logic. It's also imperial logic. If the Emperor says something, it instantly becomes the truth. Why? because the Emperor said it of course.

Tautology

''The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and al-Qaeda is 'because there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda''. Bush July 2004

Usually when Bush delivers this type of tautology, he pauses to give a smirk that seems to say, "aren't I clever?" Or maybe he's saying to himself, "Karl told me that one would stop 'em in their tracks." A tautology (which I prefer to call a 'tautism' because it rhymes with autism) will always stop an argument because it is a statement that seeks to prove itself by simple repetition.

In logic, a tautology is a statement that is always true within itself. It is the ultimate example of thinking within the box. A tautology may be true within it's own universe, but in the universe at large it might not hold true.

If you say, "The sky is blue because it is blue and therefore the reason that it is blue is because it exists in a state of blueness," you have told me absolutely nothing because you haven't said anything in the first place and then you repeated it. The statement may be true, but it's premise that the sky is blue may not be true. It may be gray that day. A tautology is only ultimately true when it's basic premise is true.

If you say, "The war in Iraq was justified because it was the right thing to do." or "We are winning the war because we will not quit," these statements may be true within themselves, but they might not be true when matched against the facts of the larger universe. Make no mistake, we live in the larger universe.

When the president tells you that Harriet Miers is one of the country's best jurists because she is my lawyer and I only hire the best because I am the president, it gives you an idea of what kind of insular universe that these people live in, and how they think in circles.

In Bushland, the mission was accomplished and democracy is taking hold in Iraq. In the larger universe, 2300 more Americans have died since Mission Accomplished and the country is in a more chaotic condition than it was under Saddam.

This tendency toward tautism, seems to be the defining characteristic of this whole administration. They think that by the very act of saying something and then saying it again and again, it becomes the truth. When Scott McClellan refers to 'our strategy for victory in Iraq,' and refers to it again and again, it's almost as if they actually Have a strategy for victory. It's magic. Rummy is also a master of it. In fact he is the very Socrates of circular tautology.

"First rule of politics: you can't win unless you're on the ballot. Second rule: If you run, you may lose. And, if you tie, you do not win."--Rummy

or:
"The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." --Rummy on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

and how about this one:

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know." Rummy

With such teachers, it's no wonder that Bush has become an almost unconscious adept at tautology. He can dash off gems like this:

"it's a myth to think I don't know what's going on. It's a myth to think that I'm not aware that there's opinions that don't agree with mine, because I'm fully aware of that."—Bush, Philadelphia, Dec. 12, 2005

"He was a state sponsor of terror. In other words, the government had declared, you are a state sponsor of terror."—Bush,On Saddam Hussein, Manhattan, Kan., Jan. 23, 2006

Now Bush is older, he has gained experience and he's had good coaches but he's still stupid. He has to be stupid not to see the train wreck that his government has become.

The Poet's Eye notices, When you are old and stupid, you are old and stupid. And if you get older, you'll probably get stupider.



So the years spin by and now the boy is twenty
Though his dreams have lost some grandeur coming true
There’ll be new dreams, maybe better dreams and plenty
Before the last revolving year is through
And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
We’re captive on the carousel of time
We can’t return, we can only look behind
From where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game
--Joni Mitchell

Posted: March 17th, 2006, 3:23 pm
by Dave The Dov
Oh yeah it's all coming full circle from him!!!! Is it January 20th or 21st 2009 yet????
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Posted: March 17th, 2006, 3:53 pm
by STUPID BOB
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Posted: March 17th, 2006, 4:07 pm
by Lightning Rod
dave-- :wink: not yet

excuse me STUPID BOB, I should have dedicated this column to you

Posted: March 17th, 2006, 4:43 pm
by Doreen Peri
The trouble with circular logic is that it comes right back to the beginning where it started and repeats itself along the way assuming, of course, that it started anywhere at all which isn't much different than beginning with an ending all over again.

Let me try to explain this to you by offering an explanation of what I mean.

You can end your argument with the same argument you started with somewhat rephrased, or not, and begin again in an attempt to explicate, however somewhere in the middle of the debate, you'll need to decipher the significance of your stance in order to come to the conclusion that it is meaningless however meaningful it is.

Capiche?

Now, I know you don't necessarily have to agree with me but it doesn't matter much because it's not essential that you concur and that's fine.

Where do I apply for a govt job? I heard they offer really great perks like paid vacation, sick leave and a top-shelf 401K plan and you never get fired and not only that the bennies are good and you have a job for life.

Posted: March 17th, 2006, 5:00 pm
by firsty
it's also referred to as begging the question.

this sums up so well the problem with bush and i appreciate your articulation of the problem in this column. this kicks ass because it kicks ass.

my favorite recent one was bush's explanation that checks and balances were followed when he went around the FISA court to spy on US citizens because he said that he checked himself to make sure it was the correct thing to do.

Posted: March 17th, 2006, 5:37 pm
by Lightning Rod
thanks firsty,
you are a sweetheart because you are a sweetheart

yes, in the matter of spying, they are taking tautology to a new height of refinement. First he said that he had the right to do it because he was a war president, commander in chief, covered by the Constitution yada yada

Then he claimed that he was authorized to ignore the law when Congress gave him power to invade Iraq. Go figure.

Now his syncophants in Congress are just going to try to change the law that he originally violated.

I think it's just so much hair-splitting myself. The government shouldn't be spying on citizens--period. It's the citizens that should be spying on the government.

Hope the monkeys are doing well. We may need them soon.

Posted: March 17th, 2006, 6:11 pm
by Lightning Rod
oh yes, doreen
you should go to work for the government
you are an expert at this sort of thing
you would have to be placed in a high cabinet position
you not only do circular logic, you do spiral and double helix logic

yes, go to work for the government. Then we could both retire.

Posted: March 18th, 2006, 2:39 am
by stilltrucking
Dam fine Eye ball Clay thanks.

Molly Ivins keeps insisting that Bush is not stupid. She thinks that is his con.


The arrogance and hubris of the man, intelligently masked by deliberate projected stupidity, serves as successful diversion from his highly skilled persona of mass manipulation


George W. Bush's public persona of stupidity is a clever diversion from his ego agenda. Operatives try to relate the president to the people by projecting an air of anti-intellectualism. They reinforce a camaraderie of those in contempt of the more educated. As critical thinking requires specific set of skills and continuous practice Bush bonds with those that lack both.

May 2005, Volume 12 Nr. 9, Issue 144The Fascist Ego and the FutureJozef Hand-Boniakowski
http://www.metaphoria.org/ac4t0505.html


Speaking of the future:

President Rice. Get used to it.

Condoleezza Rice for President 2008 - Unofficial SiteGrassroots website trying to convince Condoleezza Rice to run in 2008. Includes biography and image gallery.
www.rice2008.com/ - 2k - Mar 16, 2006 -

Posted: March 21st, 2006, 1:29 am
by Lightning Rod
Update

check out these tautologies from Bush's speech today:

"I made it clear, and I'll make it clear again, that we will use military might to protect our ally Israel,"

"The threat from Iran is, of course, their stated objective to destroy our strong ally Israel. That's a threat, a serious threat. It's a threat to world peace,"

and here's the doozy:

"Ultimately, Iraq-Iranian relations will be negotiated between the Iraqi government and the Iranian government,"

Posted: March 21st, 2006, 11:30 am
by Doreen Peri
Condoleezza Rice for President 2008 - Unofficial SiteGrassroots website trying to convince Condoleezza Rice to run in 2008. Includes biography and image gallery.
www.rice2008.com/ - 2k - Mar 16, 2006 -
I just visited that website, 'truckin' ... thanks for the link.

At first I thought the whole thing was a joke.... Then I saw the bubblehead dolls.

Posted: March 21st, 2006, 4:01 pm
by jimboloco
It will be interesting to see how Iran negotiates with Iraq;
meanwhile, the American bases in Iraq are being reinforced, far away from population centers, and are planned to be permanent overseas bases, while we disengage from saudi arabia

we have bases in iraq because the iraqi government wants us to
it's good for iraqi security and for the security of the entire middle east
it's good for the security of america
:wink:

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