Sunday Stream (128) ~ The Natural Answer... naturally

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Sunday Stream (128) ~ The Natural Answer... naturally

Post by mtmynd » June 17th, 2007, 12:54 pm

The Natural Answer...naturally
A current article on MSNBC.com reports there is worry in India amongst the Hindus that the sacred Ganges (Ganga Ma) is drying up.
"...a somber group of men carried a body to the banks of the river, a common ritual before the dead are cremated on wooden funeral pyres. To be cremated beside the Ganges, most here believe, brings salvation from the cycle of rebirth.

'Ganga Ma is everything to Hindus. It's our chance to attain nirvana,'" Ramedi said, emerging from the river, her peach-colored sari dripping along the shoreline.

"But the prayer rituals carried out on the water's edge may not last forever -- or even another generation, according to scientists and meteorologists. The Himalayan source of Hinduism's holiest river, they say, is drying up."
These are indeed strange times. Despite the fervor of religious followers to defend their belief systems, nature seems not to care. Nature does what is only natural. In this case climate change may inevitably radically change the ancient religion of Hinduism.

The article continues -
"In this 3,000-year-old city known as the Jerusalem of India for its intense religious devotion, climate change could throw into turmoil something many devout Hindus thought was immutable: their most intimate religious traditions. The Gangotri glacier, which provides up to 70 percent of the water of the Ganges during the dry summer months, is shrinking at a rate of 40 yards a year, nearly twice as fast as two decades ago, scientists say."
[complete article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19268167/ ]

What will millions of Hindus do if the sacred Ganges only trickles past Varnasi, the "Jerusalem of India"? (the writer's attempt to define the importance of this city but incorrect as Varnasi was around as a holy city far before Jerusalem). Is the belief system so completely connected to this river that if it dried up tomorrow so would Hinduism? What If Mecca were to be destroyed by a natural disaster... what would Muslims do? How about Jerusalem? The Jewish Wailing Wall?

So many religious symbols throughout the world for so many belief systems, so many cultures, that are so dependent upon these things so support them, the first commandment comes to mind when it says, in part, to have no other gods before me. Sure, this first commandment is for the Judeo/Christian believer, but even those two religions do not completely adhere to not having 'gods' before them.

Any thing, person, statue, symbols of any kind that become objects of worship is not a good thing. The key word is 'worship' here... to worship a person(s) or any thing relieves the person doing the worshiping of their own responsibility to find their inner being... that one spark or blazing light within. There should be no problem with symbols as reminders, symbols that strike the heart and bring a sense of goodness or well-being, but to step over the line and worship these things is to falsify one's own knowing of Self. What is within is far more majestic than what is without.

But we are evolutionary beings. We hu'mans are learning machines. From our first cognizance of something around us: our eyes seeing things and stuff, our hands grasping for them, touching, feeling, tasting, hearing, our sensory lives depend upon our learning. From these senses of ours we evolve and hopefully share that learning with each successive generation. This is natural... from and of nature.

Nature is and always has been the teacher. From nature we learn. We learn from all that nature is. This is why we refer to Nature in the feminine, 'she' or 'her'... nature gives life. No need to worship 'her'. Nature doesn't need our worship. Nature does not ask for any worshiping... 'she' simply gives as does light gives.

Within us all, all life, there is this one Light, the source of all Life. The one source of all Life is Nature... the two are one, complete and forever, yin/yang in perfect harmony, complete balance. It is only we that have problems with balancing ourselves.

When our belief systems refuse to change from what once was, we fear losing what we felt was our balance. If we were to stop and observe Nature all around us, see it's actions and reactions, it's seasons, the droughts and famines, floods and feasts, we should realize that no matter what we humans go through, change is inevitable. Some times we we may believe in one thing until another comes along that changes that belief into another. We may be saddened at the loss, but life continues regardless of our feelings.

We, the evolutionary creatures that we are, learn and change. If our Ganges dries up, if our idols fall, if our learning reveals weaknesses in our treasured beliefs, we can either deny the knowledge and remain stagnant (and troublesome) or accept it and progress. It is our choice. We cannot attain balance perpetually without attaining the extremes of either side. This evolves into fewer steps in either direction in order to keep balance close to us - a slight tilt of one direction will take only an equally slight tilt to regain the balance. Extremes become less and less powerful in our lives. Balance becomes the most powerful as it does within yin and yang. Balance in mind and body will open the doors of our perception in knowing our true Self... Self Realization. It's our Nature. It's only natural...


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Post by Artguy » June 17th, 2007, 4:42 pm

Ya...brings to mind the destruction of those huge Buddhas in Afghanistan....was that suppose to put an end to Buddhism?? I don't think so...."All is mind..." JK

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Post by stilltrucking » June 17th, 2007, 4:48 pm

Thanks for the steam cecil, one I will reread and study on.

Just some trivia I thought might interest you.

The riddle of a river

Union Minister Jagmohan's efforts to establish a role for the Sarasvati river in the Indus Valley civilisation take the shape of a project of excavations, which will begin in Haryana.

T.K. RAJALAKSHMI
in New Delhi


But in the course of the research on the "mighty river" which has been referred to 50 times in the Rig Veda, a certain consciousness will find its way into the minds of the people, he hopes. The river, the Minister explained, was mentioned along with other rivers, and if these rivers had existed, it was not correct to assume that the Sarasvati had not existed. He said that there was cultural, geological, hydrological and geographical evidence to show that the river was not a mythological desert river. "There is a school of thought - I would not say there is irrefutable evidence - that believes that a sophisticated civilisation flourished on the banks of the Sarasvati," said Jagmohan.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1916/19160970.htm
Many great Yogis and scholars who have understood the astronomical references in the hymns, date the Rig Veda as before 4000 B.C., perhaps as early as 12,000.
http://www.hindunet.org/vedas/rigveda/

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Post by Arcadia » June 18th, 2007, 11:07 am

it´s possible that the belief sistems change with nature or we enter in a period without nature and symbolism... hard to imagine that, though!
thanks for the stream, Cecil!!!
I hope you had/have a great day!!!
saludos,

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Post by mtmynd » June 24th, 2007, 8:39 am

artguy, thx for the JK quote. So true, so true...

truck... upon reading your provided quotes I was (again) struck by the creationist movement and their time beliefs (earth: 6,000 yrs old), and how intellectually evolved, (in the understanding of mankind in general and the inner Self in particular), that ancient culture of India truly is..."perhaps as early as 12,000." Perhaps you'd find this site interesting, speaking of age, etc..
http://www.mcremo.com/ explore it.

arcadia, arcadia... "or we enter in a period without nature and symbolism... hard to imagine that, though!"

si, very difficult to imagine, especially since we depend upon imagination so much to create such symbolisms! gracias, amiga mia.

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Post by stilltrucking » June 25th, 2007, 11:14 am

Hare Krisna
Bad science is bad science
And a rose is a rose
Christian or Hindu
This argument lies at the heart of the theories of "Vedic physics" and "Vedic creationism". That the verses of the Rig Veda are actually coded formulas of advanced theories of physics has been recently claimed by Subhash Kak, an engineer working in the United States. And a Vedic alternative to Darwinian evolution by natural selection is being pushed by Michael Cremo and his fellow Hare Krishnas in the U.S. What sets these newer theories is their unabashed and bold defence of Vedic mysticism as a legitimate scientific method within the Vedic-Hindu metaphysical assumptions, as rational and empirically adequate as the best of modern science, and as deserving of the status of universal objective knowledge as the conventionally accepted theories of matter and biological evolution.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2101/ ... 408700.htm

I don’t know what good science is anymore Cecil
A lot of hardware?
Einstein with his pencil and paper reminds me of Mother Teresa’s quote that we are all pencils in god’s hand.
That guy Cremo quotes Einstein too, just like the Christian Creationist do.
Einstein said he believed in Spinoza’s god, I don’t know if human beings were around in a present form two billion years ago. That is a long time ago compadre, I am not sure that the earth’s atmosphere was breathable back then. But Cremo says he can prove it, all I got to do is buy his book.

Done.
Deep stream
But I cross it lightly compadre
Gracias
I posted that PM to you and I question my motives
I suppose I thought I was not looking for a debate
But judging my reaction to your joke I think I was
Spooky business religion/science

I think the origins of science are in religion and magic.

Thanks for the link,
I like the concept of devolution
but I think it goes around like a wheel
devloution and evolution
the scientist tell me that this creation had a begining
the priests tell me the same thing

maybe it they are both wrong
or maybe I am dumb
I can't imagine a begining or and end.
just a spinning wheel

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Post by stilltrucking » June 25th, 2007, 11:15 am

Hare Krisna
Bad science is bad science
And a rose is a rose
Christian or Hindu
This argument lies at the heart of the theories of "Vedic physics" and "Vedic creationism". That the verses of the Rig Veda are actually coded formulas of advanced theories of physics has been recently claimed by Subhash Kak, an engineer working in the United States. And a Vedic alternative to Darwinian evolution by natural selection is being pushed by Michael Cremo and his fellow Hare Krishnas in the U.S. What sets these newer theories is their unabashed and bold defence of Vedic mysticism as a legitimate scientific method within the Vedic-Hindu metaphysical assumptions, as rational and empirically adequate as the best of modern science, and as deserving of the status of universal objective knowledge as the conventionally accepted theories of matter and biological evolution.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2101/ ... 408700.htm
I don’t know what good science is anymore Cecil
A lot of hardware?
Einstein with his pencil and paper reminds me of Mother Teresa’s quote that we are all pencils in god’s hand.
That guy Cremo quotes Einstein too, just like the Christian Creationist do.
Einstein said he believed in Spinoza’s god, I don’t know if human beings were around in a present form two billion years ago. That is a long time ago compadre, I am not sure that the earth’s atmosphere was breathable back then. But Cremo says he can prove it, all I got to do is buy his book.

Done.
Deep stream
But I cross it lightly compadre
Gracias
I posted that PM to you and I question my motives
I suppose I thought I was not looking for a debate
But judging my reaction to your joke I think I was
Spooky business religion/science

I think the origins of science are in religion and magic.

Thanks for the link,
I like the concept of devolution
but I think it goes around like a wheel
devloution and evolution
the scientist tell me that this creation had a begining
the priests tell me the same thing

maybe it they are both wrong
or maybe I am dumb
I can't imagine a begining or an end.
just a spinning wheel

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Post by mtmynd » June 25th, 2007, 12:05 pm

hello, truck. stay happy. it beats trying to stay informed. :lol:

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