Sunday Stream (43) ~ Guru-ing

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Sunday Stream (43) ~ Guru-ing

Post by mtmynd » August 14th, 2005, 11:39 am

Guru-ing


When I'm ready to listen to my guru, I listen. That's what makes a guru - one that is worth listening to. "Guru" has often been used as "teacher" but it is much more.

Our most rewarding educations are from those that we can truly listen to, finding answers within. All this is from listening, defined as -

To make an effort to hear something; to pay attention; heed.

Our best listening is when we make no effort at all but are yet mesmerized by what it is we are listening to. It's a natural attraction to the subject... one that we have an affinity for. Magnetized not solely to the individual, but what the individual has to say, their words become no longer words but a transcendence into the vision of the speaker... we are sharing their perception of a situation... a location... a vibration.

Listening to experiences without choosing them - being at that place at that time, sucked in, identifying, creating a bond between you and the speaker, naturally becoming one.

Listening on that level, the guru level, is where fresh seeds of truths fertilize and sprout - the guru and the listener. (Note I did not use the word "student"*) They both work together... one does not exist without the other.

A guru is not a guru without a listener. The listener is sought out by the speaker. The speaker is not guru until s/he finds a true listener. This symbiotic relationship becomes 'guru'.

On the guru level sharing between speaker and listener is very intimate - inward journeys, outer observations from the why's of existence to the who's of responsibility, self-discovery is the quest.

[* 'Student' is how those outside the guru relationship view the listener... s/he absorbing the words of the speaker, period. On guru level it goes beyond period... the absorption of words does not have an end but an endlessness - even when speaker and listener are no longer in exchange.]

There is only one guru/one listener, even if there are many. Speaker shares the experience of the journey with listener - it is that state where listener is at one with speaker, not one at a time, but one at once... the fragrance bathes the air, whosoever breathes the air receives the fragrance.

Intimacy can only be truly experienced by surrendering mind. Sexually or not, intimacy is essential for knowing. To know is acceptance and the only acceptance is ac-know-ledging the coalescence of Being.

Nothing is certain but change. Change is the result of coalescence... the eternal dance of nature. Change does not result in finality but further changes. It is a constant movement of matter throughout the universe, throughout every living thing, throughout ever organic substance, this interplay between sub-atomic particles in a constant search for and end that never occurs. They amass to form shapes and purposes only to eventually disband and reorganize into other temporal forms.

What gives the energy to power this eternal dance? The question is not 'what?' but 'where?' If we find the source we experience Realization. There is no more 'what?' - there is only 'know'... acceptance of knowing now unknotted, we become free, unbound and radiant. We have passed thru the prism at one with the Light.

<center>A student of Life should never deny their Self of Realization.</center>


Cecil
14 August 2005

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On this date 32 years ago our first born, Noah Matthew Lee, was born in the Newark Maternity Hospital in the Second Ward neighborhood of Phar Lepht, Texas.

<center>HAPPY BIRTHDAY, NOAH!!!
I Love You!
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I also wish a Happy Natural Birth Day to his beautiful mother, SooZen A. Lee... her first of two birth givings -

<center>HAPPY NATURAL BIRTH DAY, SOO!!!
Thank you and I Love You!
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Post by K&D » August 14th, 2005, 12:00 pm

can you get to a point with said guru/listener relationship where there isn't a whole lot else to say...i feel like i've gotten to a point in one of my relationships where it feels like now we don't have much to say but in the past we had the kind of relationship you speak of...and i think in a different way we still do...what do you think?

i'm all confuded...and normally i know my music so well. wasn't there a Dead song with the lyrics about something along the lines of getting to a place where words have no meaning? i thought it was terrapin station but i looked it up and i didn't find it.

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Post by mtmynd » August 14th, 2005, 12:12 pm

Nice seeing you about, K&D. I missed your outooks!

Sure, reaching the point you speak of is rather normal... part of the coalescence continuing, i.e., change. We absorb and drift, absorb and drift... from one reality to another. These are mind trips that sustain our physicality. It is only our spirituality that can put mind at bay, and even then it's temporal, but attaining that makes the eternal coalescence understandable... our acceptance thru realization enhances our lives.

The Dead... sorry K&D, I cannot offer anything more than what you know about that... and that was learned from you! Thanks for that. :wink:

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Post by Lightning Rod » August 14th, 2005, 12:35 pm

I'm learning every day cec

You bring to mind four of my favorite gurus

You, Nathan and K&D and sooz
"These words don't make me a poet, these Eyes make me a poet."

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Post by Doreen Peri » August 14th, 2005, 1:05 pm

I'm listening.

Thank you!

I'm going to put my hibiscus banner up there just for you to match yours.

Why? I donno. 'Cause I listened and I want to connect to what you posted. That's why, I guess.

Thank you for #43.

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Post by K&D » August 14th, 2005, 1:10 pm

how long does it take you to figure all this stuff out...i mean will i suddenly tern a certain age and Bam! i know what i want and how to get it and all this stuff? i don't think so. here's how its worked for me so far...i figure something out, i loose it, i figure the same thing out all over again. to tell you the truth i love it that way, because its constantly amazing me. if i figured everything out and retained it, then i wouldn't know what to do with myself, you know...its kind of similar to the drifting.

i find that i will drift from people to people in that way...thats why i like the first part of a relationship the best so far. i can't wait to find someone who will constantly suprize me. then there are those who i feel completely comfortable with, i don't need or feel like i have to say anything to them...there are very few of those people...then again maybe thats cause i like to talk so much!

i have to find what song i'm talking about

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Post by K&D » August 14th, 2005, 1:16 pm

i found it...wow that banner is gorgeous!

Grateful Dead
Terrapin Station- Robert Hunter
"More than this I will not ask
faced with mysteries dark and vast
statements just seem vain at last"

you get to a point where statements just seem vain at last...i've always felt that i knew what he was talking about. past a certain point nothing more can be learned from words alone...they don't explain certain things that can be understood between to people. hell ya!

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Post by Lightning Rod » August 14th, 2005, 1:16 pm

footnote:

"fucked is the teacher that can't learn from his student."
lr
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Post by K&D » August 14th, 2005, 1:38 pm

i was going to write Fuck yeah! above but no one had broken the curse words yet so i cencored myself...thats what the summer and living with my mother has done to me, in college i curse all the time and now here i am in studioeight censoring myself, like i'm playing fucking Hearts because the cursing hadn't been broken!
Blah!

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Post by Arcadia » August 14th, 2005, 4:39 pm

feliz cumpleaños to your son & Soo!!!
Thanks for the stream!,

Arcadia

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Post by stilltrucking » August 14th, 2005, 7:12 pm

Happy birthday Noah, you are a fortunate son.

I started a reply to this one but it got so long. Going to work on it get back to you.

Hells bells here it is what I got so far. Just rambling



5:41 PM
On a personal note.

For some reason I always think of the Ram Dass 'Be Here Now' book when I hear the word guru. Jitterbug’s favorite line from that book was, “Guru has no fear in the jungle, snakes know heart.”

and Guru Nanak sang: "If the fear of God is in the heart, all other fear is dispelled..."

Just woke up read it through once. Wanted to get to get a Quaker buzz this morning but I over slept. So I come over to Cecil’s little place on the stream.

When I'm ready to listen to my guru, I listen. That's what makes a guru - one that is worth listening to. "Guru" has often been used as "teacher" but it is much more.

Can’t hear it yet Cecil. Transcendence, that word always stops me cold. It is a word seed that has not bloomed for me. I remember Bill King once called Levi transcendent. I feel as if I transcended into his mind, if transcend could mean understanding. I have a sad melancholy feeling today. I don’t know if he will ever read what I wrote, I feel sorry for him today. And that is a dam good joke because I hardly have any pity left for anyone else. I use it all for myself.

Any friend of yours is a friend of mine. Just the way I feel I could be wrong. Sorry about this ramble. It keeps getting longer.

I got a brain like one of those eight ball things we used to have as kids. Shake it up and see what pops up in the window.


Transcendent is a word that usually stops me cold. I keep having to look it up. Talk about changes, my brain is flux

On litkicks I was always saying
I am sorry about that, that being what I had just posted. I can't deal with the sub atomic stuff right now. I hardly go there anymore cause it makes me think I understand. Now string things ever smaller and smaller.

I always associate the word guru with love.

thanks for another stream

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“You can’t be any better than the worst you recognize” jitterbug
That is how I feel today, that glibness I see in brooklyn I see in myself big time.
It is nice to have a woman around the house. They are so astute at seeing through male vanity. But maybe one woman is more than enough for any man. I wish he good luck with two.
sorry about the irrelavant ramble just wanted to talk at you some today. Going to read and hear more I am sure
in friendship
that's my religion
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Post by stilltrucking » August 14th, 2005, 7:29 pm

Cecil I wrote the above at low tide. Let me see how I do with it after I detox.

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Post by mnaz » August 14th, 2005, 7:39 pm

Gurus and listeners routinely exchange places, in the back-and-forth energy flow and giant "spiderweb" of life....

Similarly, I fancy myself flowing in and out of realization, at times.... usually after a shot or two of bourbon.... (though not necessarily)......(Sorry).

Enjoyed the Stream, Cecil. Inspired.

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Post by mtmynd » August 15th, 2005, 6:28 pm

Thank you elRod, Dor', K&D, Arcadia, truck.. and em-naz for sticking it out and reading these streams... and all the others that stop in, too.

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