Sunday Stream (45) ~ Threshold of Light

[mtmynd]

Threshold of Light


Wan: "I went to see my Zennist today."

Chan: "What was the problem?"

Wan: "Had a truth gone bad."

Chan: "Was a void left?"

Wan: "I'd rather not go into that."

Chan: "You still have a problem." - [Cecil, 1995]

The Void is without barriers. The Void is without form. The Void is nothing. The Void is the Great Silence which gives birth to all things.

Zen (Ch'an) = meditation. Siddartha gave up all things to discover even religion did not offer all the answers he was seeking. Abandoning all paths as the answer after achieving only futility, he finally chose to sit under the Bodhi tree until he experienced self-realization. No barriers between him and his original being.. through meditation he eventually achieved his Nirvana... his Heavenly bliss.

Meditation is practice of finding yourself. Many paths are opened when meditating... hence the many ways of achieving the meditative state. But all paths lead to one and yet that one goes by many names, as many names as there are enlightened.

All enlightened beings who have been embraced by the Void know that within the Void is the Light. Void cannot exist without Light... both are original, both oppose the other, both are reliant upon the other. There is no escape from yin/yang. Yin or Yang is not the choice. Yin/Yang is the realization: Void/Light. Know Light - Know Void. No Thing-Every Thing.

Mind can convince us that perfection can only exist within either the yin or the yang. Mind resists any intrusion upon its choice... its chosen side. This is illusory... this is avoidance of what is Original, a denial of One.

"One" is used as an identifier of a singular within multiples. "One" is a word which, with scalpel-like precision, separates the life line between no thing and some thing. To separate void from light, the space between every thing, is to separate Truth.

Truth is whole. Truth cannot be separated. Mind is the separator. Mind is not the Whole, but half. Mind is not the Light but the calculator assessing what Light reveals. There are no half-truths but only half-facts from knowing only half the whole.

The whole is always there... the truth only needs to be accepted. Put mind at rest... empty it. Go within and seek solace... your own peace. The Void is not to fear but to experience... the Threshold of Light.

Denial of the journey is denial of Truth. Isolating one from the other brings dis-ease. We fight for one or the other. Why fight when you can have both. That is your fulfillment. "One" is yin/yang... not separating one. That is not possible without negative consequence to the wholeness.

Mind is limited by the barriers of every thing... that which can only be seen, touched, smelled, heard and/or tasted. Mind is for physical surival within material existence. Mind is not One but multiples within the oneness of duality.

Mind sees "one" as that which was chosen from multiples. This "one" is Mind's interpretation of "original" - it has chosen what has become the original. But choosing a singularity from amongst an endlessness of mulitples is not a true original, but a choice by Mind to create a one. True "One" is the awareness of duality... Void/Light. To realize this union is to realize your Original Being.


Cecil
28 August 2005

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Trajectory

[Cecil 2005]

[judih]

travelling in the void is something i never want to end

[mtmynd]

judih - surrender all effort ~ the journey is yours... without question.

[WIREMAN]

"I saw the light!"....hank williams

[mousey1]

I love truth. However, my mind tells me that truth is often unacceptable and unwanted. That truly everyone wants to be lied to so that they can always feel good. My mind is often unruly and needs to be whipped into shape. But in this case I think my mind is correct. However; I do not want to be lied to ever, so why do I feel that others want to be lied to? Urgh!!!!

and why does the truth hurt?

I didn't go to the Zenntist today...I went to the proctologist...

To have my head yanked out of my ass!!!...

Needless to say he couldn't do it!!! Said something about you actually have to be willing.

[Lightning Rod]

mousey, I guess that why the call it an ASSteroid

I love your humor


Cec,
your dialoques are great
you should consider being a playwright

[Arcadia]

"Zennist & ASSteroid: the light factor", good name for a play!.
thanks for the stream, cecil!
saludos,

Arcadia

[K&D]

so is there one truth for everybody, like the greeks thought, or are there multiple truths...hell i'm not even sure if i beleive in truth...i've been leading towards no lately, but i'm a flip flopper...and i think i always will be one.

[mousey1]

Multiple truths are like multiple orgasms....

nonexistant for this little mouse!!!

(I jest!)

(I lie!)

(I jest lie!!!)

[K&D]

[stilltrucking]

The whole is always there... the truth only needs to be accepted. Put mind at rest... empty it. Go within and seek solace... your own peace. The Void is not to fear but to experience... the Threshold of Light.

I have not got there yet cecil, not to the void, I can get to a dark sea within me. But It is still not no thing, it is an ocean.
Singularity, I think of black holes, no light can escape once it passes into it. But now the mythology is that it passes into another universe.
Self-pity is receding like the tide,
The Hebrew language strikes such a sense of nostalgia for me. Almost a longing.
thanks for the stream, when I don't reply, it will probably be because I have been enlightened and have no need for these posts.
Meanwhile I lean on them.
still trucking cecil, my journey goes on
Sorry about the pedantic posts, I remember seeing that geode in a bird bath.



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On 2005-01-15 18:38, TomGix wrote: I think the root of the semantic game has to do with psychologists attempt at scientific credibility. It would be difficult for a discipline to generate funds from a science foundation if Thor, Theseus, and Thoth were part of their research project.



That certainly strikes a chord! I note something similar about those researching the Gaia hypothesis in a thread about mythology in the 21st century:


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The nonlinear dynamics of chaos theory – which finds exquisite beauty and complex order hidden within chaotic systems – impact fields ranging from meteorology to marketing. Most ancient myths begin with order emerging out of chaos, from the face of God moving across the void (tehom) in Genesis, or Marduk fashioning the world from the vanquished corpse of the dragon goddess of chaos, Tiamat, to Chaos as origin of Eros, first of the gods, in Ovid’s Metamorphosis. Biologists - such as James Lovelock and Lynn Margulies (first wife of Carl Sagan, a respected research biologist in her own right) – studying the biology and geology of Earth as a series of integrated, interdependent, systems, working in harmony and following the pattern of a self-regulating organism, term their theory, “the Gaia hypothesis.” This doesn’t mean they “worship” the ancient goddess Gaia, any more than physicists Doyne Farmer and David Packard, crunching numbers at U.C.-Santa Cruz, are disciples of Tiamat.... but there is a resonance between the ancient conception of Earth as a living goddess and what we are discovering about the interdependence of life and the mechanisms that regulate the planet. Scientific foundations, academic institutions, and government agencies aren’t in the habit of awarding grants to study the role of ancient goddesses in the contemporary universe; investigating the workings of “dynamic systems,” on the other hand, just seems to cry out for funding. One doesn’t have to have a vested interest in mythology, or any spiritual belief system, to find value in these fields[/quote].
Cecil the above is from the link below. I think this might be worth your time to check out
http://www.jcf.org/forum/viewtopic.php? ... tart=15&29

Tiamat is a primeval goddess in Babylonian and Sumerian mythology, and a central figure in the Enûma Elish creation epic. John C. L. Gibson, in the Ugaritic glossary of Canaanite Myths and Legends, notes that "tehom" appears in the Ugaritic texts, c. 1400–1200 BCE, simply meaning the "sea". Such a depersonalized Tiamat (the -at ending makes her feminine) is "The Deep" (Hebrew tehom), present at the beginning of the book of Genesis.

The words tohu wabohu ("formless and void") need not describe destruction. They can just as easily describe an unconstructed state.

2 The earth was without form and void [tohu waw bohu], and darkness was upon the face of the deep [tehom
תְּהוֹם tehom "the deep" Either the primeval waters under the earth, or sea as opposite of sky

[MrGuilty]

Entry Word: abyss
Function: noun
Text: an immeasurable depth or space <looking down at the dark ocean from the ship's rail, Malcolm felt as though he was staring into an abyss>
Synonyms chasm, gulf
Related Words cleft, crevasse, crevice, fissure; cavern, hole, hollow, pit; breadth, expanse, extent, reach, spread, stretch; emptiness, nothingness, vacuity, vacuum, void

standing right at the edge of it cecil, right at the edge, all i need now is a leap of faith.

[mtmynd]

Howdy, bud...

I was giving you some thought this morning while sipping my coffee and smoking my bugler. Sittiing on our deck in one of my favorite chairs which shows me the Franklin Mountains which Phar Lepht snakes around, the morning sun reflecting off these mountains always indicates another new beginning for me.. each day is anew after a good night's sleep.

Back to you: Here in Studio 8, as it was back some one year ago on LK, many of us got to know each of us in a cyber-sense. I've always equated these sites as bar & grilles... a little spot where we drop in and shoot the shit, express our thoughts and feelings with others.

Today I am asking you to put yourself in this little cyber-spot and visualize that this is not cyber-land, but a real physical joint where all (well, most, anyway..) of us know each other and greet each other as we come in and take a seat -

mtmynd: "Hey, Stilltruckin'! How's it goin'?"

you: "My name isn't 'stilltruckin' right now. It's 'gypsyjoker'."

mtmynd: "Oh, okay "gypsyjoker"... how you doing?"

you: "I'm doin' alright. I gotta alot of things going thru my head."

mtmynd: "Yeah.. these days there is alot of things going on that would fuel that. I understand."

[time passes. I leave. A day or two later I return]

mtmynd: "Hi, gypsyjoker! How's the thinkin' going?"

you: "Uh, I'm not gypsyjoker today. Call me 'MrGuilty'."

mtmynd: "Hmmm.... Why are you always changing your nickname?"

you: "I get bored with the old names."

mtmynd: "Well, yeah... but you can't expect others to keep up with who you are, doncha think? I mean, most of us have our handles, our nicknames, and we pretty much stick with them. What difference does it really make?"

you: "Exactly! What difference does it make? Why shouldn't I change my name whenever I feel like it?"

mtmynd: "Well it's a matter of continuity... you know, like adjusting to your 'oneness'. If you keep changing your name I get the idea that your changing your face and clothes, changing your demeanor. How do you want me and others to see you, man?"

you: [please fill this in for me if you'd be so kind...]

Peace,

Cecil

[mtmynd]

truck - I just realized that i didn't respond to your last reply. I apologize for that.

I detect a bit of desperation in your final words here. That makes me a bit uncomfortable.

To me the word 'abyss' defines more of an inevitable, perpetual darkness... a hopelessness, if you will, and that definitely is not the 'void' I'm referring to.. I hope you understand that.

I don't think you can invite the void into your self without knowing what the void is. The 'void experience' comes on its own... slides into our conscience while in a state of mediation (although that statement may not be an absolute, it is fair enough for this discussion). Meditation is one of the most important and healty things we can do for ourselves... but the word 'meditation' for many conjures up images of east Indian yogis with limbs knotted up in strange postures looking pretty freaky. Although I won't go into any verbage as to why they do this, it is very valid, but not necessary for most of us to enjoy the practice of meditation. (those postures are for the very advanced).

Just sit to begin with... you can easily do it in your favorite chair or wherever you're comfortable. Just relax... give yourself a rest... don't agonize over any thing... let it all go, just for now. Williingly allow everything to quietly dissipate, like smoke into the air. Your not losing anything. All that stuff will return. It always does. But just for now, let it go. Don't look for any 'void'... that'll interfere with your relaxation. It may even cause you a level of anxiety or even fear which is not relaxation... by any means. The main point being relax, let loose, trust. Drop any concept of 'void'.. grasp nothing at all... let it all go. Like sitting on the bank of a beautiful river observing the passing of water (thoughts) wash by, not grabbing anything out of the thoughts.

I hope you'll consider that...

[stilltrucking]

a leap of faith cecil
is that an act of desperation?
not that I am not desperate
but as i said the best things can not be told.
I knew how it sounded when I wrote it
you have to pardon me
Atit pushing my buttons to see what makes me tick
must be contagious
just punching your ticket
I got thrown out of a quaker meeting last week
no more organized religion for me
sunday stream as close as i can get.

we throw these words around as if they mean something
transcendent, void, nirvana satori god
I know what love is
I love life
Life is beautiful
even in the midst of a holocaust
where is billelectric, I trust him a lot
next time you talk to him on litchicks
tell him I miss him
why don't he come slumming over heare any more?
I appologize for pushing your button


cecil sometimes you make too much sense.
In the words of my friend bill
stop making sense.

where is the rant on TV/Radio?
it seems a timely time to talk about that?
women folk all glued to their TV's crying their hearts out

My best meditation was sitting in the seat of a Peterbilt
both feet on the floor
hands on the wheel
and my eyes on the prize.

a singularity is a black hole
that's me
abyss/void
nihlism/buddhism
a fine line