Violence as Work of Art

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Post by e_dog » April 17th, 2007, 2:34 pm

didn't kerouac say i'd rather be thin than
famous, not "rich" as your signature tag quote says?

theres a fascist art movement the leader marionetti? the futuristists. google that. some manifestioes.
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Post by jimboloco » July 12th, 2007, 7:17 am

ww1 flying ace eddie rickenbacker never knew the blue rider artists
who died down below in the german trenches
macke, marc, morgner,
they died in the trenches alone with theiir sketches,
and he came home from the war

west point graduate aesthetic about war
has a gold plated pistol in his belt

a vet center counselor once told me at the moving wall
when he was in viietnam in the navy
a gunner at a port installatiion on a river in the delta
general ordered marines across the river in boats to assault the vietcong on the other side
he watched them get wasted, marines dropping like flies,
the cong retreated, then the general flew over in his chopper,
was running about picking up vietcong souveniers

this fellow fired a burst at the general,
made him pause and reflect
as he carried his aesthetic sense about
strutting with bravado getting his vietcong souveniers
while marines recovered their dead

the futurists were wwi vets
from what i recollect
flashes of metal and power illuminated their conscience
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Post by jimboloco » July 12th, 2007, 7:30 am

this is poetic response to war,
not war as poetry,
infact horace coleman refutes such an assumptiion
altho any endeavor can be seen as art if carried out with an aesthetic discipline
FLASH-------
(ode to "civilians")





Well, I finally had that dream.
You know, the silent
vividly colored
real slow motion one
where you watch yourself
be part of The Way Wild Bunch?
I've got new fatigues
(already spotted with potent perfume):
0800 sweat, gun oil, dried blood,
human manure (from rice paddies),
rotten fish sauce that had
oozed down a hot runway
and onto me
(like someone getting "spilled").
fear-stink and eau de cordit
wrinkle noses on dead faces
whiffing themselves
as if it was whiskey.
A toke from a Thai stick, maybe,
a "shotgun" from a shotgun
or a brew could clear all that up
--for a New York minute.
And I'm hitting everything I'm aiming at
The Mattel Shoot 'N' Shell
doesn't need a thumb extractor today.
The fighters are almost on target and
the LT almost read the map right.
Like we almost have
the right strategy (and politics).
not that it really makes any difference.
I'm wasting every one--reticent men,
defiant women, resigned old people
semi-innocent children.
And, all the "slopes," "dinks" and "zips"
have round eyes.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


FORWARD
(ode to "civilians")



Especially the burning coed who says,
in her California accent,
"How come you Vietnam vets
are so cazy?" So I tell her
"Because people like you
ask questions like that!"
Then I give her half a magazine
to read with her half a mind
until she has half a body.

Now I don't worry about going to sleep
(and waking up in pieces or not at all
or just waking up),
blowing my warm cool and
killing someone accidentally
instead of on purpose.
One piece of peace cures
a lot when I finally admit
who and what
the real "enemy" is:

The grunts said
(is it still true two and
a half decades later?)
"It don't mean nothing!"
All I know is, war is
not a metaphor for,
a style of,
or a symbol for,
life.
"Get your ass in the grass!,"
like the sergeant said,
And I have too,
write my own orders,
make my own meanings.

http://www.echonyc.com/~poets/Vol6/coleman.html
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Post by jimboloco » July 12th, 2007, 8:15 am

every bridge to the past must be closed, "destroy the museums, the libraries, every type of academy" and sing of "the great crowds, shaken by work, by pleasure or by rioting"; "glorify war - the only hygiene of the world- militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of liberators, the beautiful ideas for which one dies, and contempt for women"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filippo_Tommaso_Marinetti
i guess they started out before ww1
some of them were anarchists
the fascination with new technology, machinery, and speed
Image
and pure motion
  • Image
<center>the dynamism of a dog on a leash</center>
and modernisation enthralled them
beyond donkeys and carts
techno pop
how this got perverted into military power and
dictatorial madness
should be of common concern to us all
it can happen here


when i was down and out in new york
i worked as a "porter" at the art students' league
with an older fellow, george, who loved to draw
he would attend the open life drawing group on friday evenings and drew
in dark red conte pencil, carefully rendered figures

he always said that fascism was national socialism
and hated socialism because of the association
ww2 vet, battle of the bulge,
a career janitor at the league
went home to his wine
a sad figure
but nice to me

somehow thhe socialism of marx got mutated into
political power by taking of a german ideal of "forceful action"
and mussolini rode this wave of new italian aesthetic sentiment into power
"futuurist political fasci"
the futurists marched with the fascists into rome
and his aesthetic friends argued that fascism was a naturan extension of futurism

and once mussolini had power,
became more interested in consolidating his populist base
and appealed to anti semitism and abandoned the futuurists essential struggle for change, seperated himself from the futuurists, appealed more to the bourgeoisie, and allied with mainstream german national socialism

Image
always liked the imagery of balla
a bit of the mystical
how he got seduced into fascism
not so mysterius
a happy line can seduce any sweet italian boy
power, ego, adventure, big machines
like vietnam vets
trucks, tanks, "rome" plows, choppers, planes
and guns, artilllery

wonder how he did in his later years
dawdling about in rome
synthesing physical motion with larger spheres of the human psyche
unknown
http://www.futurism.org.uk/futurism.htm
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