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How to End a War, Eisenhower’s Way
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 7:41 am
by stilltrucking
.... In what many regard as the most important foreign policy address of his presidency, Ike blew the whistle on those who sought to win the cold war militarily. “Every gun that is fired, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed….”
Like President Obama, Eisenhower was an incrementalist who preferred to move gradually, often invisibly, within an existing policy framework. But on the question of war and peace, his views were categorical. He rejected the concept of limited war, and believed that American troops should never be sent into battle unless national survival was at stake.
http://100days.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0 ... owers-way/
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 11:03 am
by mtmynd
Wise words from a Five Star General and a 2-term U.S. President.
It's a good thing there were no suicidal Islamic bombers that had it out for American politics back in those days.
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 2:35 pm
by stilltrucking
I wonder what Obama was thinking when he bowed to the king of Saudi Arabia? Did he get some bling too?

Posted: April 12th, 2009, 5:06 pm
by mtmynd
I wonder what Obama was thinking when he bowed to the king of Saudi Arabia? Did he get some bling too?
I can't speak for our President regarding that but I can say I would give some serious thought to doing the exact same thing if I were in his position (or even my own)... it's a sign of respect as one would do what is customary in the U.K. or Japan or anywhere else that has a different set of means to show our welcome to the guest. As far as Obama doing it, I'd say it was a smart thing to do given our arrogance in the world the past 8 years.
What say ye, amigo?
"This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron." - D.D.Eisenhower
Hard to believe in this day and age that Ike was a Republican, isn't it? He very well would have been ignored and quite possibly driven out of office were he to be President in these most antagonistic of times we're in today.
Posted: April 12th, 2009, 6:03 pm
by stilltrucking
Maybe the republicans would not be so outraged if Obama had just kissed the king?
I rank the whole affair way up there with important matters like wearing an American flag lapel pin.
Ike spent three days in Korea. He conferred with his old friends, Gen. Mark Clark and Gen. James Van Fleet, talked to division and regimental commanders, and ate C-rations at the front with G.I.’s from the 15th Infantry — Eisenhower’s old regiment.
Most significantly, he flew along the battle line, roughly the 38th Parallel, in an artillery observation plane (the military equivalent of a Piper Cub) for a good look at the terrain. It was rocky, mountainous and forbidding — bristling with Chinese gun emplacements and heavily fortified. It reminded him of Tunisia during World War II, where an untested American Army had received its first comeuppance. “It was obvious that any frontal attack would present great difficulties,” said Ike afterwards.
Eisenhower drew the logical conclusion. “Small attacks on small hills would not win this war.” More important, “we could not stand forever on a static front and continue to accept casualties without any visible result.”
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Remember
Tilly? the studio eighter who was working in Afghanistan with a NGO? She drew the logical conclusion that there is no military solution in Afghanistan. The problem is corruption and bad government.
As for the Republican party
Yes it is hard for me to understand how anyone can take them seriously. But they will be back no doubt. They will hammer away at things like lapel pins and other important issues.
Posted: April 13th, 2009, 2:18 pm
by mtmynd
The problem is corruption and bad government.
Afghanistan is not a country but a geographical location in which tribes have survived the hostile environment at any cost, freely of their own accord far longer than most. Why should things be any different because another country says so? It's like trying to change the air they breathe... futile until they want change for their children and not a moment sooner.
(Eisenhower) rejected the concept of limited war, and believed that American troops should never be sent into battle unless national survival was at stake.
Eisenhower -
As President, he oversaw the cease-fire of the Korean War, kept up the pressure on the Soviet Union during the Cold War, made nuclear weapons a higher defense priority, launched the Space Race, enlarged the Social Security program, and began the Interstate Highway System. He was the last World War I veteran to serve as U.S. president, and the last president born in the 19th century.
He got a lot done in his 8 years. I didn't remember him beginning the Interstate Hiway System or even the Space Race. I wonder how today's Republicans view Ike and his accomplishments? They spend in inordinate amount of time praising Reagan who really doesn't compare in accomplishments as Ike did.
Posted: April 15th, 2009, 6:24 pm
by stilltrucking
Afghanistan got more history as a country than Iraq for what that is worth.
But anyway I been thinking about 1952 trying not to Google just let it rip from geezer memory.
We were all for Stevenson, don't ask me why, just a family tradition to vote democratic in Baltimore.
I did not know Eisenhower started the space race either. I did know he wanted to put spy satellites in orbit over the USSR.
I knew about the interstate, he saw them as a military necessity to facilitate the movement of men and materials.
Kind of like how the internet started too in a way. Something called ARPA net.
J F Dulles Ike's secretary of state brought about the over throw of many democratically elected governments from Central America to Iran.
And in 1953 the Rosenbergs were executed and Sylvia Plath went insane. And I noticed I was growing pubic hair.
well that was probably too much information
Posted: April 16th, 2009, 7:48 pm
by stilltrucking
Whether it is commuting to work, embarking on the great American road trip or something as simple as receiving a product that has wended its way across hundreds, perhaps thousands of miles of highway, nearly everyone in America benefits from the Eisenhower Interstate System on a day-to-day basis. Most Americans, however, do not know the history behind one of the country’s greatest public works projects, and fewer still understand the motivation of the man whose personal experience and vision brought the massive and challenging project to fruition.
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In 1919, following the end of World War I, an Army expedition was organized to traverse the nation from Washington, D.C., to San Francisco. The First Transcontinental Motor Convoy (FTMC) left the nation’s capital on July 7, following a brief ceremony and the dedication of the ‘Zero Milestone’ at the Ellipse just south of the White House. Joining the expedition as an observer was a young lieutenant colonel, Dwight D. Eisenhower.
...Eisenhower’s experience with the FTMC provided him with great insight into the logistics of moving large quantities of men and materiel across vast stretches of land and convinced him of the necessity of building and maintaining the infrastructure to do so more efficiently.
FYI